437. How to Rewire Your Mindset to Overcome Emotional Eating

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Explore how trauma shapes our relationship with food and coping mechanisms. In this episode, Lesley and Brad dive into conversation with trauma-informed emotional eating coach, Lisa Schlosberg. Lisa shares her holistic approach to healing disordered eating and emotional challenges by addressing the underlying root cause that often shapes our coping mechanisms. Tune in to discover how working through discomfort can lead to lasting changes in your unhealthy habits.

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In this episode you will learn about:

How restrictive diets can reinforce unhealthy coping mechanisms.
The importance of trauma-informed approach to healing emotional eating.
Techniques to navigate discomfort without compromising your sense of safety.
Strategies to replace harmful eating patterns with healthier, supportive habits.
Steps to reconnect with your most resourceful and authentic self.

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Lesley Logan 0:00

So many women are so obsessed with either eating or not eating, or what they look like and how they're eating or not eating is going to help them that they are not being it until they see it because their brain is so hyper-focused on this thing that is taking away their brain space.

Lesley Logan 0:18

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:59

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the eye-opening convo I have with Lisa Schlosberg in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you missed out. We had a lot of fun. She's great. (inaudible) I know. I know. I, also, I was on her podcast, and she has the most amazing intuitive I thought she was like fucking followed me around high school and knew too much about me. It was amazing. It's so good.

Lesley Logan 1:25

Okay, today is Thursday, October 24th and it is World Polio Day. So, you guys, a lot of people think that Polio is gone, but it is not gone. It's gone in a lot of places where the vaccine was very much welcomed, but there are some places that haven't had the vaccine, or there's some people who have been concerned about vaccinations, but there's no cure for polio. The only way to prevent you getting Polio is to have the vaccine.

Brad Crowell 1:51

Literally. My uncle is in his 80s and he's had polio since his 40s, so he literally got it in his 40s which is crazy.

Lesley Logan 2:01

Yeah, he survived.

Brad Crowell 2:02

Yeah, he and he didn't let it stop him. He's a badass, but still, that sucks.

Lesley Logan 2:06

I'm pretty sure Mia Farrow had polio and survived it and it was really rare. I watched the whole documentary on it. Anyway, and then she went around the world trying to help out with preventing polio. So, you guys, let me tell you a little more about this day. But World Polio Day is now annually observed on October 24th. This day commemorates global efforts towards a polio-free future as well as selfless sacrifices of those working on the front line of the battle to eradicate polio from every corner of the world. Polio is contagious through the ease with which the polio virus spreads. Although the virus is now exceedingly rare because of modern interventions, it can impair the brain regions that govern respiration, resulting in death. Polio has no recognized therapy, can only be avoided through vaccination. So make sure that people around you and wherever you live in this world are aware, because we know that we have people living who listen to this in many countries and so, you know.

Brad Crowell 2:54

Well, yeah, I mean, they just sent in a bunch of peacekeepers to vaccinate kids in the war zone over in the Middle East right now. Also, there was cases in 2022 in New York State from people who are, you know, from someone who (inaudible) vaccine, so.

Lesley Logan 3:10

And there's a lot of different reasons. We don't need to get a debate on this, but we're going to tell you that the science says on this. And if you are able to, you should, should understand what you're looking at, and then make sure that, if you feel really strongly about this, support the efforts of those people who are going around the world to help people in places where it has not been eradicated. So yeah, it's World Polio Day.

Brad Crowell 3:31

It's World Polio Day.

Lesley Logan 3:32

All right, you guys, we are back from Cambodia. We are gearing up for our next couple of amazing weeks, and we've got a lot going on, but you can still come join us in Cambodia, if you're like, oh my god, I had so much FOMO. I looked at Lesley's Instagram, and this, everything looks so beautiful, and I want to go there. You can, you can come in February. So go to crowsnestretreats.com do snag one of the last few spots. I'm going to be in Arizona in a couple weeks, and I'm gonna come home, and I'm gonna be in LA for a week because we're doing the Accessories Deck photo shoot. We're doing the photo shoot earlier because the team hated that we did it later last time. So we're doing it earlier, which means I have to be on top of my my strength game to being able to do these photos, because we don't even have one of the pieces of equipment that I'm doing things on. So that's why I'm gonna be in LA all week, truly cramming. Truly cramming. So you want to go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist. If the accessories deck is something you're interested in.

Brad Crowell 4:26

What is going to be included in the Accessories Deck?

Lesley Logan 4:28

So there's a marble exercise, which you obviously you don't have to go buy a Pilates marble. You can just use marble. There's towel exercises. You can use a dish towel. There's toe corrector exercises. You can actually use rubber bands. There are push-up devices. We are going to actually figure out how to make a pair of those with PVC pipes, so that we can teach you how to do this. Because the beautiful wood ones are hand spun wood. And you know what they originally were, and we have these babe, you know, those wooden weights, so that's what they originally were. He took those wooden weights and drilled a hole into and make a base. And so now they just make these beautiful hand-spun wood and that's why they're like $700.

Brad Crowell 5:08

Yeah, they're not cheap.

Lesley Logan 5:08

We're gonna show you how make PVC ones. We got to work on that still. But at any rate, we'll have a foot corrector. You can't make that. You have to get that. We have the Ped-O-Pul. That one people, like I said (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 5:18

You can have it made but it's complicated.

Lesley Logan 5:20

It's complicated. It really depends on if you have access to the length of the metal. But it's also not that expensive. What else we're gonna have? We made two by four. You can make that. Sandbag. You can make that. So my goal is that more than 50% of this deck you can make, I have to count if I can get it to like 70% you can make, and then the rest is just these, like three random pieces. I'm so, so proud of myself. So that's what's in the Accessories Deck. It's all the tools that help you build yourself up to exercises you can't do yet.

Brad Crowell 5:43

Yeah, love it. Well, next up. If you are a Pilates studio owner or home studio owner or you're renting space, come join me for a free webinar called the Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator. I'm going to be helping you hurdle how do you increase your income? We're going to be covering how to double your income over the next 12 months. We're going to basically be talking about three big secrets that Lesley and I have figured out after we've coached more than 2000 fitness businesses just like yours, literally, just like ours. I mean, this is something that we had to go through, and then we've been able to help people through and we know that we can help you through this as well, where it is absolutely possible for you to instead of barely keeping your head above water, you can actually make the money that you need to make so that you can take a deep breath and you can actually enjoy running your own business. I know that it can be super stressful, and this webinar will help you along that path, and we'd love to have you come join us for free. So join me by going to prfit.biz/accelerator. That is profit without the O, prfit.biz/accelerator. And then after that, come join Lesley and I on the road. We're going to be driving around the country during the winter. We're leaving at the beginning of December. We are going to be driving all the way to the East Coast, all the way up to Maine, and then all the way down to Florida, Miami, and then back along through the South, and we're going to be doing pop-up classes, over 8000 miles, 23 locations, almost 50 events. It's going to be amazing. We'd love to come meet you in person. So if you're going to be traveling for the holidays, maybe it lines up.

Lesley Logan 7:15

We might be where you are.

Brad Crowell 7:16

Yeah, come hang out. Go to opc.me/tour, opc.me/tour for tickets and merch. We got shirts. We got fun shirts. You get to come meet our pups, and it's gonna be a great time. We can't wait to meet you. So, yeah.

Brad Crowell 7:29

All right, before we go any further, we do have an audience question. This one was from, don't mention my name. Anonymous. That's fair. Yeah, you can write in too and say, hey, love you. Please don't mention my name, but here's my question. Question is this, Hey Lesley, I read an article you wrote about running retreats. Would you feel comfortable if I asked a few questions? I recently was asked by my employer to help teach at our retreat. I had flights and accommodations paid for. Do you ever run retreats with employees (instructors)? And do you pay them for their role?

My role far exceeded just being a Pilates instructor at the retreat, and I’m struggling to move past that. I feel like I should ask for compensation but I also want to be fair. Thanks for your time.

Lesley Logan 8:16

I love the inflection on this question. Way to go, babe. You did a great job. You could you could read more questions. Nailed it. Yeah. So I don't answer questions like this in DM, so I answer them here, unless you are an agency or a member or agency on demand member, that's where we answer questions.

Brad Crowell 8:30

Yeah. So thanks for asking the question.

Lesley Logan 8:32

And also, I just want to say why I would never get him work done. The amount of questions we get asked that's why we do them here. For those who are non-members and I really appreciate that you trust us with this answer. So here's the deal. The mistake was made in that I can't decide because you said our retreat, but I can't decide as if you two designed this retreat together and then, but because you work as an employee, that there was a different compensation. So I can't decide that.

Brad Crowell 8:55

That's not how I took it. I took it as if she's hired as at the studio, as a teacher.

Lesley Logan 8:59

Yeah, so, and that's just as an employee. So then I was like, well, are you salaried? Do you have like, you always work 20 hours a week, and they pay you a salary. So no matter how much you work, you're paid.

Brad Crowell 9:09

Somehow I find that unlikely.

Lesley Logan 9:11

Okay, but do you see how, like, this is why.

Brad Crowell 9:13

There are a lot of it. There's a lot of potential caveats here (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 9:17

So let's just say you are paid hourly. This was their retreat.

Brad Crowell 9:20

They probably pay, they pay based on how much you teach at your studio. That's typical.

Lesley Logan 9:25

And you were paid by the class, or paid by the hour, whatever it is. And then they sold this retreat and they're bringing you on to teach the classes. What they should have done is said, we are going to pay for your flights and accommodations in exchange for you to teach at this retreat, because that is actually quite normal. Now, you can get mad at me and say, we're not paying someone for their time or (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 9:46

But I think that's not the question. So it seems like it was more than just teaching at the retreat, as if that was the understanding then I think that's fair.

Lesley Logan 9:54

Right. So this is another this is, so I'm not gonna, I'm not there yet. So, had the conversation been had, hey, Jessica, the people who are coming, they love you the most. We want you to be the one teaching the classes. So, this retreat is paid for and so your flights. All you have to do is teach the classes. By the way, this is how a lot of resorts work. A ton of resorts won't even pay for your flights. They'll just pay for your accommodations.

Brad Crowell 10:19

Your food and accommodations.

Lesley Logan 10:20

And you get to be at the resort, and you get to live at the resort for free, and eat for free, and work a couple hours a day in exchange for you teaching some classes. Now, obviously, as we get to that, your role far exceeded just teaching Pilates. I think you should actually have an honest conversation with them.

Brad Crowell 10:39

I totally agree.

Lesley Logan 10:40

I think you should feel comfortable doing that and just saying, hey, you know, when we talked about X, my understanding was that you are going to pay for X, Y and Z, and I was going to do B and D. However, I think we can both agree that at the retreat, I actually was doing what, I was doing B and D and.

Brad Crowell 10:57

Probably client coordination, facilitating, making sure you're running around, prepping things, or go run an errand real quick.

Lesley Logan 11:04

Yeah. And I would just say, like, I feel less comfortable with the agreement that we had, because I feel like I should have been paid for those extra roles, or those extra roles should have been something I was asked to do ahead of time.

Brad Crowell 11:18

Yeah, because, you know, like, I understand this. If I'm going to show up to teach, then I probably have envisioned the rest of the retreat experience that I'm going to have and then to have that hijacked by, oh, can you be my, you know, executive assistant while I'm on the road, is frustrating. So I totally get that. I do think that it is reasonable to say, hey, something's been bothering me. I would love to sit down and talk with you about this. The way that it all unfolded at the retreat was not my expectation based on what we talked about before.

Lesley Logan 11:50

Yeah, but I would be really specific. What did you guys talk about? What was your understanding, and then what did you specifically do that was outside of that understanding?

Brad Crowell 11:58

Yeah, and it may be because you probably have a really close relationship with the studio owner or your employer, I mean, and it may be that you say, listen, I just really need to talk to you about this because I can't do it again that way next time. And if that's the extent of it, then you can tell them, you know, listen, I'm gonna let it go, but I have to have this problem. Or maybe the answer is, I need you to pay me for that.

Lesley Logan 12:22

I think when you do this in person or at least over Zoom like you want facial, you want it, you want expressions there, you want to get a read, I would just say I need to get this off my chest, because it is making me uncomfortable here. And I just want to get your thoughts on it. And if they say, oh, this is what we agree to, and if they don't offer to immediately pay you, and if they like, go well, this is what we thought, you can just say okay, next time, I won't go under those conditions. You can say, I will teach, I will do this, but I won't do those other things. You have a right to say what you will or won't do. You can. If they agree to pay you, you can say thank you. But what I would just say is, like, really map out, be very specific, because if you are not, it doesn't go well. And everyone's like, what else did you, like, you know what I mean? I think you need to be really specific.

Brad Crowell 13:06

And specific on the things that you didn't expect to be asked to do (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 13:10

Yeah, so you also asked if I hire teachers for my retreats. I don't. And there's a few reasons for that. One, we sell the retreat as I'm the teacher. So there's that. We have brought people on our team to help us with retreats and it's very clear we're going to pay for X, Y and Z and you are going to have to do these roles at the retreat, and then the rest of the time is yours. So we brought our project manager last time, and she is a salaried employee, so therefore, you know, like that was just part of her work week. But we were also very clear, here's all the time you have off, here's all the things that you get to do, here's what we're paying for.

Brad Crowell 13:49

And she came with her husband, and her husband was like, put me to work, man, I'm here to hang and I'm here to help out. And I was like, okay, cool. But he volunteered and so, you know, instead of being volun-told, not fun.

Lesley Logan 14:00

Yes, it's not fun. And also, for anyone listening, this is why have conversations beforehand. You have to normalize talking about money and go what am I? What do you expect me to do here? What are your expectations of me on this retreat? Because it's very, it's very possible that they actually thought that you would be doing all the things you do at the studio. So, so this sounds like a miscommunication and also, employers, can you see how it's not cool to not be honest with your team members in like, what their expectations are? Like?

Brad Crowell 14:30

Not even, I can't imagine that the employer was trying to pull a one, one-over, pull the wool over their eyes. I feel like this is just bad communication.

Lesley Logan 14:38

Bad communication. Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. I agree with that completely. So here's the deal, we do have a course on how to create, sell and plan retreats. It's about 90 minutes. And I highly recommend that if you're wanting to do retreats. I also did a talk on Pilates anytime they asked me about marketing retreats and some things to think about. And so if you use LLogan, you'll get a 30-day trial and you can check out that course, and then you can buy our course, and it goes into much more detail about margins and how to plan things out. But I do not do joint retreats because the margins aren't really you have to sell even more people in it for the margins to be there. Retreats are not paid vacations to me, and when I do anything with anyone on my team, I am 100% doing my very best to make sure it is very clear. Here's what I expect of you, here's what you can expect of me. Now, does that? Is that perfect all the time? No. And that is where reflection is important, as the person who's hosting the thing, what could we've done better? And also trying to be a person where they can come to me and say, hey, I actually worked more than I anticipated. We also actually tell our people, you can only work X amount. We actually max it so that if they are running against a time clock, they don't run up the time clock before they talk to us. They can say, hey, I need more time to do this project and here's why. So, you know.

Brad Crowell 15:58

Well, anyway, great question. Thanks for asking. That's a tough one. I love questions like that.

Lesley Logan 16:02

Fingers crossed. Let's see how it goes.

Brad Crowell 16:04

So if you have a question, just reach out. You know, text us at 310-905-5534 or you can hit us up on Instagram or YouTube or wherever, and we'd love to answer your question. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Lisa Schlosberg in just a second.

Brad Crowell 16:21

Okay let's talk about Lisa Schlosberg. Lisa is a trauma-informed, emotional eating coach, licensed social worker and former personal trainer. She now helps people struggling with their relationship with food, body image and eating habits, offering a holistic approach to healing. Lisa's personal journey of overcoming obesity and disordered eating deeply informs her work today.

Lesley Logan 16:44

So I don't like to do a lot of diet type things on here, but this is not about dieting. It's actually about emotional eating and disordered eating, and I really appreciate her approach to that, because she's not trying to get everyone to lose weight. We have friends who focus on macros, and everyone's just trying to lose weight, and she's not like that at all. She's really, like you said, holistic and trauma-informed about this kind of stuff and she is actually saying that a lot of times, people do a lot of things to restrict, like, you can't eat these things, you can't eat these things, and that actually, the restricting, can be a coping mechanism. So your food is a coping mechanism. That's why you're emotionally eating. And then by restricting food, that's a new coping mechanism so we're actually not solving any problems. And so she actually doesn't like to focus on restriction. She actually wants to get to the root of the cause. What is making you actually have these struggles with eating? And because if it wasn't eating, it would be something else.

Brad Crowell 17:36

She said for her, when she was going through her personal journey of weight loss, she had been eating as a coping mechanism to deal or hide or numb the thing, whatever the thing was. And she didn't get into the specifics, but the reality is, she just postponed dealing with the thing until later on in life, when she was finally willing to tackle that thing. She says it still came up. She still had to deal with it. It just, it was like a postponement.

Lesley Logan 18:06

Amy Ledin, episode five, that is similar stories. She lost all the weight but didn't actually deal with the thing, and that's why it came back. And so she was like, I, where, she doesn't want to remove coping mechanism without offering something in return. So she says she is, with her trauma-informed way of doing things, and it doesn't have to be with her, but, like, if anything, you have a coping mechanism with what you can, have to think about is, I'm not going to just remove that. I have to actually have a life jacket so that I don't feel like I'm drowning as I'm trying to remove the coping (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 18:38

Yeah, what she was talking about was the food, you know, like for her, the food was the life jacket. And so she said, a lot of people that come into work with her, actually one person specifically said, I signed up for your program, and then I immediately started binge eating, because I was afraid that when we started the program, you were going to take all my food away from me. So before I lost it all, I was going to have the last little bit that I possibly could. I remember the, when I quit smoking cigarettes, I smoked two packs the day I quit because I was like, this is the end of the cigarettes (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 19:10

That might have helped you get, like, sick of them.

Brad Crowell 19:13

Yeah. But she said no, actually, when you come through my program, I'm not taking your food away. That's not what we're doing here. We are trying to identify the thing that you're avoiding or the thing that you're numbing by doing the action that you're taking, whether that is eating or drinking or whatever. She shared a pretty powerful mantra. She said, you're uncomfortable, you're not unsafe. Yeah, right, you're uncomfortable, you're not unsafe. I'm gonna say one more time, you're uncomfortable, you're not unsafe, right? She explained that our animal, this is really interesting, she said, we're an animal, we're a spiritual being living in a

Lesley Logan 19:48

Animal's brain?

Brad Crowell 19:49

She said we're a spiritual being with a body that eats food, with an animal brain. And I was like, this is really amazing, the way that she said those four things I can't remember exactly how she said that.

Lesley Logan 19:59

Yeah, no, I think that's, I think you're pretty close.

Brad Crowell 20:01

She said our animal brain is designed to keep us safe and it resists change and new habits because what it knows today is keeping us we are currently safe. That's why we're uncomfortable. We're not unsafe. So our brain thinks today you're not dying or you're safe, right?

Lesley Logan 20:19

Well, also, people who have an emo, have a coping mechanism, which is food, the food makes them feel safe. And she is also saying it is okay to be uncomfortable. You have to tell yourself you're not unsafe. So you are uncomfortable, you're not on, you're not unsafe.

Brad Crowell 20:33

Yeah, and so, well, the point is that while you might logically know that binge eating isn't going to be beneficial in the long run, even the idea of changing from that which you know is detrimental for you in the long run, your brain is going to say, but in this moment, I'm safe, so we're just going to keep doing what we're doing. I don't want to change. Right? And so what she said is by having this mantra, I'm uncomfortable, but I'm not unsafe, she's slowly training her subconscious, her animal mind, brain, to begin to relinquish that control, that fear of making the change. And she said that well, first off, she says she interprets this stepping outside of her comfort zone as potentially life-threatening danger even when it might not be right. And she emphasized the importance of using conscious thought to remind ourselves that discomfort is survivable. So that's another one. While we're uncomfortable, we're not unsafe. Discomfort is survivable is like another way to look at that same sense, and she said we need to leverage the power of our conscious mind by saying, I know this is scary, I know this is uncomfortable, but we're not going to die here. We are going to breathe through this. I know this is scary, I know this is uncomfortable, but we're not going to die here. We're going to breathe through this. And if this were me, I probably would have to put that on, (inaudible) cards all over the place to just continuously remind myself.

Lesley Logan 21:56

I think you can do it for any coping mechanism. And so that's why I really like Lisa so much. And the other thing I want to say is, like so many women, are so obsessed with either eating or not eating, or what they look like, and how they're eating or not eating is going to help them that they are not being it until they see it, because their brain is so hyper-focused on this thing that is taking away their brain space. And so I really love that mantra. And I think you guys can use it for anything.

Brad Crowell 22:24

Yeah, you know. And some people use Pilates as their coping mechanism, right? Because they can control it, and everything has to be perfect, and all this kind of a thing and then.

Lesley Logan 22:34

And then they meet me and we take away the perfection, and I get to go, you're uncomfortable, you're not unsafe. And that's a hey, Jay said it ugly but not dangerous.

Brad Crowell 22:42

That's right. That's exactly right. Ugly Pilates is okay.

Lesley Logan 22:45

Dangerous Pilates never.

Brad Crowell 22:46

Dangerous Pilates never. That's exactly right. These are great. I really love these concepts. Really great things to chew on. Stick around. We'll be right back as we're gonna dig into the Be It Action Items in just a minute.

Brad Crowell 22:57

All right, so finally, let's talk about those, be it action items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Lisa Schlosberg? She said, step one, identify the person that you want to be. Who is that person that you want to be in quality, right? What is the energetic blueprint of this human being that you are aspiring to be? Focus on qualities like being brave or compassionate or patient, rather than surface-level traits like thin or muscular, strong or whatever. I can't remember her story actually about this now, but she, she said for her, it was about being brave, and she had to focus on being brave. And I, I thought that was really cool. It's a clever way to kind of flip the script here on this like, just, I think she was talking about the restriction concept, and how restriction can just be just as controlling as the binging. Yeah. Focus on qualities like being brave, compassionate and patient. Step two, what would that energetic blueprint of a human that you're aspiring to be, what would they do? So imagine the actions that the person that you are aspiring to become, what would they actually do? With that energy and those qualities, what would they do in the situation that you are in or you are trying to navigate? And finally, step three, how do I do that. Right? Consider how you can embody those actions today, right now. And what does it look like, you know? What does it look like for me?

Lesley Logan 24:23

I love this because it's like, we all give our friends the best advice for the highest place of love and light. And then when we are talking to ourselves, like, I can't do that, but she's asking to, like, take up a different view of yourself and then plan it out. And then go, okay, now it's my turn. I'm gonna do it.

Brad Crowell 24:37

Yeah. And I would say this. I would pull out a piece of paper or a journal and I would write it down. And I would say write down step one, who do I want to be? Describe that person. You know? Who are they? What are the qualities of that person? What is that energetic blueprint? And then step two, write down, what would they do? And step three, how can I take a small step towards doing that today?

Lesley Logan 24:58

All right, I. Love that. And then this.

Brad Crowell 25:00

So what about you?

Lesley Logan 25:01

Okay, so this is another thing you can put on a post it that you can repeat. So when you're facing a tough choice, she said ask yourself how do I want to show up in my life at this moment? So how do I want to show up in my life at this moment? And then she ex, she outsources the answer to her higher self, and she says what would the most resourceful version of me do right now? The most resourceful, I can't think of a better be it till you see it question, what would the most resourceful version of me do right now? And she said I connect to the highest, wisest, most resourceful version of me and have that kind of guidance. So if you were the most resourceful version of yourself with all the answers, and you're like, okay, I went to the person to ask for the advice, and it would just have to be the most resourceful version of you. Then you give yourself the best advice, and then you can go, you can solve that problem. I love it. I think it's great.

Brad Crowell 25:51

I love it. Awesome.

Lesley Logan 25:52

I can't, I mean it's a be it till you see it. So Lisa's so fun. I'm hoping we're gonna see her on tour, actually, she's gonna be at the Bushwick area, so that is really cool. And you know, whether or not I'm not saying everyone like that, you, you listening here have binge eating issues, but I do think we all have coping mechanisms. And I think you can insert your coping mechanism here when she's talking about it, and start to see, like, how am I doing? What am I doing? Why am I doing that? And then just make sure you find someone who's trauma-informed always to work with who understands. But Lisa's amazing. So thank you, Lisa. And are you guys gonna go listen to my story on her podcast? Out of the Cave?

Brad Crowell 26:26

Oh yeah, Out of the Cave? Yeah, yeah, that's what it's called.

Lesley Logan 26:29

Yeah. I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 26:31

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 26:32

Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you gonna use these tips in your life? You know, send this to a friend who you think is struggling with this. You don't have to be given one. Give some advice list, you can do it, and then they'll hear that we told you to do that, so that's how it goes. But please do. That's how this podcast helps more and more people and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 26:48

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 26:51

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 27:33

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Lesley Logan 27:38

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Brad Crowell 27:43

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Lesley Logan 27:50

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Brad Crowell 27:53

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