524. The Big Misconceptions That Keep You Stuck in Life

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Lesley and Brad break down the mindset shifts that helped them go from feeling stuck to living with purpose—drawing from the conversation with transformational coach Kevin Carton. They dive into the four levels of consciousness, the surprising truths about vision and identity, and the importance of curiosity when stepping into who you're meant to be. Tune in for a conversation about intentional living and the inner work it takes to grow into your next level.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • How the four levels of consciousness reveal what’s really keeping you stuck
  • How curiosity can help you reconnect with your soul’s purpose. 
  • Why many people unintentionally avoid going after what they desire. 
  • How daily gratitude shifts your mindset and reinforces identity.


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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

I am that thing. I have that thing already. I am an entrepreneur. I am a super mom. I am a race car driver. I am a whatever it is, the thing that you want, you know, in your life, instead of when that happens for me, you act as if you are it now, already. That is the definition of be it till you see it. 


Lesley Logan 0:20  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


Lesley Logan 0:59  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the profound convo I have with Kevin Carton in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause us now and go back and listen to that one or you can listen to this one and listen to that one. He's such a sweetheart. I mean that in like, the not.


Brad Crowell 1:19  

Really brilliant guy.


Lesley Logan 1:20  

Brilliant and patient and kind and profound is a good word for him. It really, really is. I learned so much and we actually got to have him in the Agency group as well, elaborating more on what we talked about. So Agency members, you can check out that goodness. 


Brad Crowell 1:35  

Yeah, we're actually going to be including it in the Agency curriculum pretty soon, so stay tuned for that it's gonna be great. 


Lesley Logan 1:41  

Yeah, if you wanna know what Agency is here let's stay tuned, Brad's going to talk about Accelerator in seconds. Today is May 15th and it's National Notebook Day. National Notebook Day is celebrated on the third Thursday of May, and this year it falls on May 15th. It's a holiday that encourages people to record their thoughts, events and information in a notebook. It's especially important to have a notebook or journal if you're the type of person whose mind goes to so many places at once. One of the many reasons why keeping track of varieties is beneficial is that it helps you focus the mind. People will often revisit their journal entries when they need inspiration or ideas. And I just thought, focus the mind, we, I feel like it's a Kevin Carton thing, but also, because I can't choose one, I have ADHD, and I like a lot of things. And so also, Today is National Senior Fraud Awareness Day. So go check that out. Essentially, it means what it means. Make sure you're seeing your people in your life. 


Brad Crowell 2:29  

Educate your parents. Educate your parents.


Lesley Logan 2:30  

You guys don't deal, don't don't touch the toll link that they're sending you. 


Brad Crowell 2:35  

Yeah, the toll link isn't real. 


Lesley Logan 2:37  

They're never gonna text you. They don't know your number. They don't know your license plate. 


Brad Crowell 2:40  

We just had someone try to hack your Instagram account. They sent us a spam email that said your post has been. 


Lesley Logan 2:45  

Oh, yeah, copy, copyright infringement. And I told the team. I was like, guys, that's my face and it's my word.


Brad Crowell 2:51  

Yeah and there was no music. So what copyright infringement could there be? But it was a fraud link. So they're getting real sneaky. 


Lesley Logan 2:57  

Yeah, yeah, really. Because, I mean, I sent to the team, because I was like, there's something wrong here. But no, just assholes. And then also, it's Tuberculosis Day, TB Day. There's actually a couple different holidays to have to do with this. And the reason I'm bringing it up right now is, actually listen to Chris Hayes do an interview. Was it with John Green or with a guy who talked about John Green? 


Brad Crowell 3:16  

No, I think it was the author. 


Lesley Logan 3:18  

Oh, with John Green. Okay, so here's the, John Green wrote a book, Everything is Tuberculosis. By the way, have you ever looked at tuberculosis the word? It's tubular something, something sclerosis. And so everyone like it's.


Brad Crowell 3:30  

Tubular sclerosis? 


Lesley Logan 3:32  

No, it's got, like, there's like, extra S's and O's, at any rate, you can see why we call it TB. It's really important that you guys actually understand what's going on in the world of fucking things around, is that.


Brad Crowell 3:46  

Wait, what? In the world of.


Lesley Logan 3:49  

They're fucking things up like. 


Brad Crowell 3:50  

Yeah, they're fucking things up. They're fucking around.


Lesley Logan 3:51  

In the world where they fuck around, we're about to find out what that means, which is, according to John Green, we didn't just go back a couple steps, we fell down the steps. 


Brad Crowell 3:52  

We like fell down the ladders. 


Lesley Logan 3:54  

And like, everything is TB is just that, like, TB actually can't kill people, does kill people. There are drug resistant versions of this, and when they study TB, it helps them understand every other disease and illness out there. And so I highly recommend reading Everything is Tuberculosis. And if you're like me and you have a hard time focusing on a book. Go listen to the episode with John Green on Chris Hayes' podcast. No sponsorship here. I would love to have Chris Hayes on or John Green. I don't know what the be it till you see it angle would be, except just tell me how bad we really are. Anyways, but that it's TV day as well. 


Lesley Logan 4:36  

Okay, we're headed to the UK. We have two stops. It's our first time in a couple of years. Space is super limited. Legitimately, guys, there is 18 spots in one space and 20 in another. And that might sound like a lot to you, but it's not a lot of people. So you want to snag your spot for that. The deal is amazing, opc.me/uk we're going on a summer tour this summer and if you want to make sure that you are in on the deets, which will be announced any day now, then you want to go to opc.me/events, we make sure those people always hear about it.


Brad Crowell 5:04  

And then I'll be spending the weekend by myself because. 


Lesley Logan 5:08  

I'm spending the weekend by myself. You're with friends. 


Brad Crowell 5:11  

Lesley is going to be teaching the Cadillac Workshop Weekend for eLevate, round five, which is very intense. It's literally 24 hours on Zoom over three days.


Lesley Logan 5:21  

That's overwhelm. Those of you who are seeing eLevate, it's only 12 hours for you. 


Brad Crowell 5:25  

Yeah, it's only, it's only half of that for participants, but she's doing two rounds. But we love these weekends, eLevate is really a fun, amazing program, and I can tell you, as someone who watches it all happen from the side, how epic it is, because people actually come together and nerd out like deep, deep, deep dive on Pilates over nine months, and what they get out of this program is literally life changing in every element of their life. It's not just about the Pilates, but this weekend is really, really cool. So if you're ever considering deeper dive into Pilates and you're a teacher, that's the one requirement, if you're already a teacher, go to lesleylogan.co/elevate that's L-E-S-L-E-Y logan dot co slash elevate for more information, when you get started, there you and I can talk, and we'll talk through the whole thing. If you are a teacher and you're taking clients at all, I want you to join me for a free webinar. It's a Profitable Pilates webinar. We're going to talk about money. Okay, we're gonna talk about money. We're talking about clients marketing. We're talking about mindset. We're gonna dig in, and we're gonna get nerdy on how do you apply these things to what you're doing to change the trajectory, okay, if you're like, I feel like I'm spinning my wheels. I'm feeling very stuck. I can't seem to get new clients. I hate trying to get new clients. I hate telling people how much I charge. If any of these things resonate with you, come to this webinar. It's called the Growth Accelerator, prfit.biz/accelerator. It's totally free. We're gonna dig in, and then you can there's Q&A element to it as well. So that's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. It's totally free. And then finally, Cambodia. 


Lesley Logan 7:07  

Cambodia. Come and have Pilates for free with us. This is for you. If you just love Pilates, if you're pie curious, if you want to go travel the world and you want someone to curate it for you, this retreat is for you. It's an amazing experience. You're in the village with us. You stay at our house. We do five Pilates classes. We do breath work, we do some manifestation workshop, not just the woo, woo type. We actually get down and dirty on like, how do you actually make sure that your schedule allows you to live the life that you want to live, which includes taking care of you and making yourself a priority. And we tour temples, and we do a water village, and we do a lotus run, and run, like a lotus tour, and then we also eat amazing food. So I want you to come.


Brad Crowell 7:41  

Yeah, it's gonna be amazing. It's like our favorite place to be, honestly, with everything that's insane going on right now in the world, in life.


Lesley Logan 7:49  

I can't wait to be out of all of it for a week. 


Brad Crowell 7:52  

It's like an opportunity to set yourself up for some peace, relaxation, a little bit of adventure, exploration. It's going to be a great reprieve. It's going to be a retreat and on purpose. So come join us for it. You deserve it. It's your time. 


Lesley Logan 8:07  

Yeah, you're going to vote whenever it's time to vote. You're going to protest whenever it's time to protest, and you're going to take a week with us in Cambodia to recharge and refresh and get back out there. 


Brad Crowell 8:16  

crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com.


Lesley Logan 8:21  

I got halfway through filling this out and like. 


Brad Crowell 8:23  

Before we get any further, we got an audience question here.


Lesley Logan 8:26  

Right, babe. 


Brad Crowell 8:27  

Right, so Fit Prom Karen is asking on YouTube, hey, what's the difference between the black nylon and leather straps? How do they hold up or move for circular movement? And she was talking about on the Reformer. 


Lesley Logan 8:40  

Yeah, so, okay, there's so many different types of Reformers out there, and there are Reformers that use, like, ropes and pulleys, and they usually have loops, and those loops can be cloth, and then, because of COVID, they've turned into this, like, vinyl type of a thing, which is not super comfortable. It's a little thick, but it's easy to wipe down. And then there's also the leather straps that also on wheels, and they also have handles, and then they have extension straps to make the loops. So there's a huge difference. And as far as the circular movement, I actually think that if you work with the leather straps and handles. 


Brad Crowell 9:11  

Sorry, where are these straps? I'm trying to envision this because there's, like, multiple straps on a Reformer. We're not talking about the long straps, are we?


Lesley Logan 9:18  

We're talking about the long straps. 


Brad Crowell 9:19  

The long straps, okay, so we're not talking about the things that hang over the tail.


Lesley Logan 9:22  

You know, when we're on a tour, yeah, not the one, well, those are extension straps, but yes. 


Brad Crowell 9:22  

Extension straps, okay, so that's the difference.


Lesley Logan 9:22  

You know when we're on tour and some of them I have to push the risers down because they use ropes. Okay, so the particular device that it's on will turn around so when they make circles, the ropes stay in this little groove thing, and it circles like it turns with it. And the leather straps don't have that. They're just on a wheel, but you can still circle. You can still circle. What I would say is actually a lot, a lot of people that I work with who use the ropes. I highly encourage you to order the neoprene handles. They usually are on your Cadillac, or you can order them on their own and clip it on to your straps, because you are going to get even more out of those circles every single exercise if you have a handle in your hand, because the way your hand reacts to the handle will tell me if your arms are connected to your back. So I can look at a room of people. 


Brad Crowell 9:49  

Which does not happen if it's just a loop. 


Lesley Logan 10:18  

Well, it can, but you have to, you have to be aware, and it's really hard because you don't have anything visually to show you that your hand is turned at an angle. So if you're watching on YouTube, it's really easy for your hand to be at a 45 degree angle, versus perfectly holding a bowl of soup or perfectly ready to shake someone's hand. 


Brad Crowell 10:38  

Is that what we're doing, we're holding soup? 


Lesley Logan 10:39  

Usually I tell people to hold a margarita. So at any rate, the pinky side of your hand needs to be attached to the handle at all times. And when you're using those loops, it's kind of touching it. So you think it's working, but then your hand is actually not the right angle to help you to connect your muscles from your back. And a lot of people end up using the top of their shoulders or the front of their shoulders, or their biceps and their elbows, and they're not using their back. And then the other thing that those loops can encourage without you noticing it is really easy for your wrist to bend, and so then you're holding this loop with your bent, wrist is bent, and now you're not getting any of the benefits. So loops are great for the feet. There's nothing wrong with it, and I actually am not knocking anything like, we have affiliate links to Balanced Body and to Contrology, so if you prefer the ropes, you can have them. I just highly encourage you to get handles and use handles in your hands and loops on your feet. 


Brad Crowell 11:23  

Yeah, if you're interested in that link, go to opc.me/perks P-E-R-K-S opc.me/perks and scroll down, you'll find the links to all the equipment that we recommend. So stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into this fantastic conversation that Lesley had with Kevin Carton, and he's going to share some fancy metaphysical stuff with you all. We'll talk to you soon. 


Brad Crowell 11:48  

All right, everybody, welcome back. Let's dig into this convo with Kevin Carton. He's a multifaceted individual dedicated to helping others achieve their potential. Certified by the Brave Thinking Institute, he operates as an inspirational speaker, teacher and transformational life coach. That's what the Brave Thinking Institute is, they certify life coaches, and it's not like a, you know, $250 weekend certification y'all this is way bigger deal than that. With significant experience, he focuses on empowering individuals to identify their life's purpose, overcome personal obstacles and build self-belief through various methods, including his widely popular podcast, Science and Spirituality, co-hosted with his brother Chris Carton, Science and Spirituality, they are, like, you know, a million plus downloads. It's a big pod. It's a really cool thing. I definitely recommend you check that out. Science and Spirituality and his brother Chris, two of them are enjoyable to listen to, just very knowledgeable. So.


Lesley Logan 12:43  

Also, can you say it like, how cute, Chris and Kevin Carton, like, it's just like. 


Brad Crowell 12:45  

Chris and Kevin Carton. 


Lesley Logan 12:46  

You know, I love when people make sure alliteration happened. It just all flows together. So many things to love about what he said. But I really enjoyed that he talked about he believes that our soul's purpose is really what our heart calls for the most to live the most alive life that we possibly can. And he, also about focusing on becoming more alive, more aware, more happy, more loving. He also said that if you're struggling to identify your purpose, it's because you have to get curious. And it made me just think, you know, when you're a kid, you're like, asking all these questions. You're like, so curious. Why is the sky blue? Why is this? Why is it? And because parents are fucking exhausted and overworked and underpaid, and they are stressed out to the ninth, especially the parents today, because why wouldn't you be, it's really easy to kind of like, crush that curiosity and. 


Brad Crowell 13:31  

I mean even, not, also inadvertently, it could just be like, here's an iPad I can't deal with you right now.


Lesley Logan 13:36  

It's all, I actually would say it's all inadvertently. But and then at school, the curiosity is not what actually is you're graded on. It's like, on how well you memorized. And so I think that, like, you start as a kid as very curious, and then you go through life and you're just forced to, like, memorize what's right and what's wrong. And so you don't actually cultivate a curious brain. I actually was really grateful, because Pilates made me get really curious. Because, well, not not just Pilates in general, I will say very specifically, Pilates with Vintage, with Jay, with Sandy and Karen. Like, there was not a one answer to a question. It was like, well, I don't know, how's it feel? And they would want you to get curious, like they. 


Brad Crowell 13:43  

You have to dig in and connect with yourself to actually draw a conclusion. 


Lesley Logan 14:15  

Was really hard for me. I would just go, just tell me what it is, right. I just want to get it right. So I think that's why I can really attract this perfectionist, but also why I love what we do. But I just thought it was really great, like, be more curious, you know. And then he also said, we're given dreams, and it's up to us to accept and become aware of them like we're given them. And that made me just think of Big Magic and how, like, ideas want to be born and things want to happen. And if we're not there to, like, pick what's being left for us, they're gonna go. But if we can be aware of them, we get to actually enjoy them, and we get to have this gift that we've been given. What did you love? 


Brad Crowell 14:49  

He talks about the four levels of consciousness. This is effectively applied to how each of us lives, our lives, how we experience our lives. So there's four levels of consciousness, and I'm gonna briefly run through with them all. So level one is victimhood, two is responsibility, three is called flow, and then four is oneness. Okay? Now, what does that actually mean? Level one, victimhood, life is happening to me, at me, you know, against my wishes. Why do these things happen to me? I'm blaming everybody except for myself, right? It's considered the lowest state of consciousness, and it's actually it diminishes your life. So sometimes what we default to, and the thing is, it's easy to stay in the victimhood. 


Lesley Logan 15:33  

I think we all get annoyed by those people. Like, once you're not that person, you're like, I gotta get away. 


Brad Crowell 15:37  

Yeah, so level two responsibility, life is happening by me. You're taking responsibility for your actions, for your thoughts, for your responses. You're recognizing your own ability to create desired outcomes. And this is like, probably, I think, most people live life more often than not, in levels two and three, kind of transitioning between two and three, and then four. We tap into four occasionally, but then we shift around like that was a good question that you had for him. But life is happening by me is level two, responsibility on making decisions, on purpose. Level three. Life is happening through me. This is the flow state, a sense of connection to a larger life force, letting go of excessive control, experiencing a natural flow of things, where things work out more easily. You know, I think we've all experienced the flow state, right? We're in the zone, as like to call it. I know when I was working in the office, my entire goal, like when I worked for somebody else, my entire goal was once a day, to forget what time it was, because I was so in the zone, right? Put my headphones on, drown out the rest of the world. Get focused and allow myself to be in that state. And honestly, when that happens, I would be happy about it. At the end of it I'd be like, yes, I got so much work done today. When I didn't get into the flow state, I will be frustrated about my day. And be like, oh, I feel like I didn't do anything today, right? So life is happening through me, and then finally, oneness, life is happening as me. This is definitely more of like a mystical experience, no separation between yourself and the entirety of the universe. And you know, you can experience this through meditation, connection with others, with the nation, but also, actually, he also suggested that oneness, or life is happening as me, the most common experience of this is an orgasm where you're experiencing it with somebody else. I thought it was interesting to think of that that way. And it's not something that you're in that state for the longest periods of time, but you can tap into that occasionally here and there. I just found these really interesting. 


Lesley Logan 17:44  

These are the four things that he dug into more deeply in his talk, right? 


Brad Crowell 17:48  

Yeah, he, we also went through these levels of consciousness and, in fact, also his tool at the end of the episode, where he's like, hey, this is my gift to you. We actually did that exercise together on in the webinar. So if you're looking for more on that, come join us in Agency. You know, also go check out the things that he's doing. 


Lesley Logan 18:07  

You can check out his pod. I mean, like. 


Brad Crowell 18:08  

Yeah or check out the pod, yeah. 


Lesley Logan 18:10  

This is I just really liked him. I subscribed to the pod because I was like, I think I want to keep listening to this person. I really like what they're saying. And I think also I got a lot of those stages, and it's like, oh, that last one, I kind of just thought that's what the shamans do in the white, you know, on the top of the hill, and they leave the world behind. But I liked he's, like, no this is like, you could just tap into it. You could just be, like, in this moment, we could be part of the world again. So I think that's really cool. 


Brad Crowell 18:32  

Yep, yeah, awesome. Well stick around. We'll be right back, because we have some really powerful Be It Action Items shared by Kevin Carton. We'll be right back after this. Stick around. 


Brad Crowell 18:41  

Welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Kevin Carton? He talked about the power of a clear vision. He defines a vision as a written out version of the life you love to live, a written out version of the life you love to live. And I thought was really cool, because we have this idea for ourselves, but how often do we actually put it down on paper so we can see it, read it, hold it. We won't forget it, because we wrote it down. He said be detailed, be clear, be specific. Use emotion and just be big. And he said the main thing that people and he and I had a really interesting conversation about this, one of the things that I used to do, and I still catch myself doing occasionally, is saying to myself, I want this thing for me, whatever this thing might be. And then I would say, it would be really nice if this thing happened for me or to me, ironically, it's like victimhood level one. It would be really nice if this thing happened for me, right? That to me is a cop out. Cop out in two ways. One, I might not actually be actively pursuing this thing that I want to happen for me. And two, if the thing doesn't happen, then it's okay. It didn't happen to me, for me, right? This is really interesting, because I used to intentionally not get my hopes up, right? Because if it never happened for me, then I'd be really disappointed, or it'd be failing, or I'd be let down. And I just found, like what he said, when you're writing out your vision, the mistake that most people make is taking that approach. It'd be great for me if this happened right, and then, and then, what's the next generation of that is we say, oh no, no, not if it happens, when it happens right? And he's saying, not even that but there's one step further, I am that thing. I have that thing already. I am an entrepreneur. I am a super mom. I am a race car driver. I am a whatever it is, the thing that you want, you know, in your life, instead of when that happens for me, you act as if you are it now already. That is the definition of be it till you see it. 


Lesley Logan 20:58  

Oh, yeah. My, my client, I was like, hey, baby, I can only see you at eight o'clock or whatever I gave her. And I really only did it for her, because I would never do it for anyone. And she said yes. And I was like, oh, okay. And I said well, I'm really surprised you accepted this. She's like, well, I am a healthy person, and a healthy person would work out at this hour. And I was like, oh. 


Brad Crowell 21:17  

Great for her. 


Lesley Logan 21:18  

I'm practicing this I am thing and helping me filter my decisions. And I think it's, you know, it takes some time, be kind to yourself, like I just saw her again today, and she's like, still working out the I ams and I haves, but you can do it.


Brad Crowell 21:32  

Good. Good for her. That's awesome. I thought that was super powerful. What about you? 


Lesley Logan 21:38  

I love that you know about gratitude. Gratitude is a powerful practice for being it till you see it. You know what, gratitude, I think it gets tossed around a lot. It's like, do this, but actually, do you really do it? Do you have a gratitude practice, really? And I'm gonna. 


Brad Crowell 21:42  

What is it? What does the gratitude practice look like? 


Lesley Logan 21:49  

Well, I will give you a perfect example from someone else. So the book is called Buy Yourself the Fucking Lilies, or tulips, or something like that. And I think her name is Tara. I would love her on the pod. I would obviously need to learn her name, but it's from five years ago, so it's really, really great. And she, in her third chapter was every single day, write down 10 things you're grateful for. 


Brad Crowell 22:07  

Yeah, you're right. Buy Yourself the Fucking Lilies by Tara Schuster. 


Lesley Logan 22:09  

Tara Schuster, okay, she's just committed to it. So anyways, I think a lot of people do it at night. And I will just say, everyone, I actually, in the middle of the day, typically have a moment where, like this. 


Brad Crowell 22:18  

We were just talking about this. 


Lesley Logan 22:20  

I start the day feeling fucking amazing, and then somewhere in the middle of the day, after all the onslaught of all the things that are going great but not going great, the chaos and then the fucking news widget that tells me what else we're fucking killing around here, I just find myself like, what are we doing? And so I was like, I'm gonna try this thing, and I open up my reMarkable tablet, and I have my schedule of the day on my reMarkable tablet, and if you just scroll, like, swipe, it's a journal place, and it's not enough to do like, journal entry, really. So I just list 10 gratitudes. And literally, just go, one, I'm grateful that I have the time to do this. Two, I'm grateful. And you just keep going, and what you find is like, by the end, when you get to 10, like to find 10 things to be grateful for in a day, especially when it feels like it fucking sucks, changes mine all the way around. And it really helps you get back to being the person you want to be, the person you believe you are, the I am, the I have and so. 


Brad Crowell 23:17  

I actually think, so that's a cool practice. Another thing you can use is the five minute journal. 


Lesley Logan 23:22  

You can. 


Brad Crowell 23:23  

Yeah and that one you're writing it into a journal, it already has the prompts right in front of you. 


Lesley Logan 23:27  

I can't really read my own writing, so I just do it on the reMarkable and hoping they translate it if it wants to. But we talked about like, how my therapist is really helpful at helping me remember, like, gratitude and judgment can't live in the same space. If you are feeling like, pissed, this isn't working and this isn't working, that's the judgment zone. And then you can start doing gratitudes, and the gratitude pushes the judgment out of the way. He also mentioned a gift.


Brad Crowell 23:47  

Oh, his gift. This is the thing that we did together, the metacognition meditation.


Lesley Logan 23:51  

So it's a 23 minute guided meditation, and it's designed to help individuals notice their thoughts, connect with their spiritual being, and gain clarity over their purpose and desires. You guys, this gift is less than 2% of your day. So we're talking about 1.5% of your day. So go to beitpod.com/metacognitionmeditation, beitpod.com/metacognitionmeditation. I'm not spelling that out. I think it spells the way it sounds. Thank you, Kevin, I learned so much from you. I can't wait to stalk you in the best way, a little bit more, and learn so much from you and your brother. I'm Lesley Logan. 


Brad Crowell 24:27  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 


Lesley Logan 24:28  

Thank you so much for listening to this today. We're so appreciative to have you. Can you believe? First of all, it's the middle of May. Second of all, this podcast is at episode 524 because of you. Because of you, we get guests like Kevin Carton who has a million downloads on his podcast because you listen to this one. So keep downloading the episodes. It is helpful for us to get big, amazing guests that can help you be it till you see it.


Brad Crowell 24:49  

And share it with somebody new. 


Lesley Logan 24:51  

Yes. 


Brad Crowell 24:51  

Pick one person right now. Share this episode to one person right now. 


Lesley Logan 24:52  

Yes. And if you also leave a review that, too, helps this podcast out. see you. None of that costs you any money and you got a free meditation. Thank you so much. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 


Brad Crowell 25:06  

Bye for now. 


Lesley Logan 25:07  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


Brad Crowell 25:50  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


Lesley Logan 25:55  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.


Brad Crowell 25:59  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.


Lesley Logan 26:06  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.


Brad Crowell 26:09  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.




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