Lesley Logan connects with Kate and Mary Swick of Mom, Me, and Astrology to decode what Pluto and Uranus’ big moves mean for each zodiac sign. Discover how these changes can inspire personal breakthroughs, business innovations, and improvements. Learn how to navigate the year ahead with confidence, authenticity, and an empowered sense of purpose.

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In this episode you will learn about:

Understanding Pluto and Uranus’ major shifts in 2025
Each zodiac sign’s main challenges, opportunities, and transformations.
Using astrology as a validating tool rather than a deterministic prediction.
How to integrate cosmic changes into routines, work life, and self-care practices.

Episode References/Links:

Kate Swick Website - https://www.kateswick.com
Kate Swick Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/the_kateswick
Mary Swick Website - https://maryswick.com
Mom and Me Astrology Podcast - https://beitpod.com/astrolgypodcast

Guest Bio:

Mary and Kate Swick are the mother-daughter duo behind the popular podcast "Mom and Me Astrology."

Mary's journey with astrology began in 1980, blossoming into a career spanning over 35 years. She launched her full-time practice in Las Vegas in 1995 and later incorporated Feng Shui, drawing on her bachelor's degree in Family Environment from Iowa State University. Mary's expertise has benefited residences and major establishments, where she combined astrological insights with environmental design.

Kate, having grown up immersed in astrology, is a seasoned astrologer, Tarot reader, and Feng Shui consultant. She has built an impressive client base including high-end brands like Dior, Porsche, and Tory Burch. Renowned for her accurate predictions and personalized readings, Kate empowers clients to understand their strengths and navigate life's challenges. Featured in various publications, she also speaks at international events.

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Episode Transcript:

Mary Swick 0:00

Astrology is not about okay, you're going to be punished now. No, no, no. It's going to create circumstances that make you so uncomfortable, that motivates you to make the change.

Lesley Logan 0:11

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:54

All right, Be It babe. We have a very packed episode. I'm just going to say it. I've been wanting to do this with these two ladies for a really long time I listen to their podcast every Monday. We have Mom, Me, And Astrology. We have the hosts of that, Kate and Mary Swick. Ladies, thank you so much for being here. I'm gonna let you guys kick us off, because we have a lot to talk about, about astrology and 2025. 2024 was a lot. So I'm hoping you have good news for all of us.

Kate Swick 1:19

Absolutely. Well, we're excited to talk about 2025 I know whenever we start closing up the previous year, we start putting a lot of hopes and wishes and dreams into what the next year can hold. And so today we're going to talk about two major planetary moves that we're going to see next year. And we thought it was so fitting, because I'm an Aquarius and my mom is a Scorpio, and so we're both of our ruling planets, mine being Uranus and hers being Pluto are two of the planets that are changing signs. And so we thought, let's talk about how you're going to be inventive next year and where you're going to grow.

Lesley Logan 1:54

Oh my gosh.

Mary Swick 1:55

She's right. A lot of that is being truthful, being truthful. And we've had a great headline in our news, just here in the last six months, where a president went out of the trajectory he could have run, he chose not to, or forced whatever the story was, makes no difference. That is the story for 2025. (inaudible) hear it. You're going to be more truthful, and, as Kate said, inventive, and you're going to go out of your trajectory. Now, that's exciting.

Lesley Logan 2:27

Yeah, oh my gosh. You guys, we have two, you just heard two voices. We have Kate and we have Mary. Mary's been doing this for 50 years? How long you've been doing this (inaudible)?

Mary Swick 2:37

Oh, come on. Don't age me that much. You know what, if I would go back, it's been over 35 years.

Lesley Logan 2:43

Okay, okay. And Kate was, like, born into it, and so the two of you have seen a lot, not every single different transition, but a lot of these transitions. So I feel like we're in the best of hands. So why don't you guys kick us off now that we've thought about her about being inventive and truthful in 2025.

Kate Swick 3:02

Yeah. So I think that's an interesting point that you made about because we've been doing it for so long. I mean, obviously, mom a little longer, but I have been around the language the two that we're talking about for next year. We, actually, none of us, have lived through it. That's how big of a deal this is. So this is not something like Mercury Retrograde that happens two to three times a year, where you can take your age and times it by three. That's how many times you've been through it. The last time that we saw Pluto and Aquarius was 1777 right? So none of us were

Mary Swick 3:31

(inaudible) famous or famous year.

Kate Swick 3:34

Yes. So none of us have lived through that. And same as we talk about Uranus, that one does happen a little bit more often about 88 years ago. So there's a small, small population that has gone through that one.

Lesley Logan 3:46

I know. But also, one of the things that you guys are so great at is when it's something that's happened in your life before, it's like, well, how did it go for you? Right? And when, if we do have any 88 year olds listening, thank you so much. But also they probably don't remember the year they were born. So, you know, like, right? So I feel like even if you have lived through it, you might not remember how it went for you.

Kate Swick 4:06

Very true. You would have been so young. You would have been so young. But we have seen Pluto move signs. So for most of us, we can relate to the disruption that 2008 2009 brought in that we're seeing Pluto change signs again. And although we're talking about Pluto from a 2025 standpoint, we've been feeling it already all of 2023 and 2024 so you might think, well, why are we still talking about this?

Mary Swick 4:33

Really.

Kate Swick 4:33

You know, but it just, it's slowly, it's got to zero degrees, then it retrogrades back, and then it gets to one degree, and then it retrogrades back. So we have not we've been tested. We've been preparing for it, and we get more confident with it as we it's just like a bike those first couple years of it was like, what the heck is this? And we're hoping that as everyone goes into 2025 you confidently get on that bike and to take the growth and the change or the truth that needs to be seen and done.

Lesley Logan 5:04

I love that.

Mary Swick 5:05

So should we jump into the signs? Kate, are we ready?

Lesley Logan 5:08

Yeah, I'm ready.

Mary Swick 5:10

So let's kick it off with Aries. Okay, and I would say Aries have to be embarrassingly honest. Where do they belong? I don't belong in this group. It really isn't me. I've been faking it. I need to go into this group so we could be talking professionally, we could be talking personally, we could even be talking family. It's the team, it's the club, it's the people that you circle around. You've been getting hints about this, but now is real. It's time to step out and to do your own thing, start your own company, start your own project, whatever. But this is a kind of the breakthrough, so to speak. There's no facades anymore, and it could be stripped away from you as well if you're reluctant, right? Yeah.

Lesley Logan 5:56

Yeah. I feel like when you fight anything, it doesn't go so well. (inaudible)

Kate Swick 6:03

And then for Aries, from the Uranus standpoint, I think 2025 is the year to be spontaneous, to prove your capabilities beyond just your education or your past jobs. So they're getting a little bit more limber in their mind, maybe even in their body. Of what can I do? Maybe they're saying I don't need a certificate to do what I want to do.

Lesley Logan 6:26

That's cool, but that works really well with what Pluto is asking Aries to do. So hopefully that's for every sign, but I like it for the Aries people.

Kate Swick 6:34

Like we're up to a good start.

Mary Swick 6:35

Easier than the others. I might (inaudible) move on to Taurus. It's a different thing there. I suspect most Tauruses are saying how did I get myself into the situation I'm currently in? There could be some sense of a stranglehold. There could be some sense of oh, my God, this is more, too much. I can't handle this. Or feeling if they're really being pushed, tested. This is their reputation that's being redefined, and there's usually some sort of initiation that you have to go through, and that's where the Tauruses are at, so to speak. So there is some challenges there for Taurus. I'm sorry, so that all can't be as easy, so to speak, but it delivers. There's always a reward. Astrology is not about okay, you're going to be punished now. No, no, no. It's going to create circumstances that make you so uncomfortable that motivates you to make the change. And that's what Tauruses are looking at, and they're having a baptism by fire.

Kate Swick 7:33

And because with what mom just talked about it, seeing there public reputation. Think of their LinkedIn. What is my title? How do people address me when we look at the Uranus piece, it's affecting their money, right? And Uranus is this idea of surprise, shocking, taking us out of the trajectory that we've known. And so for Tauruses, I would say, anticipate some good news, or some something exciting around their money, so they could be creating new streams of income, or they might be redefining what security looks like to them. So security can come through money. But we also have to throw a little bit of love in there as well.

Mary Swick 8:11

Should we go on to Gemini?

Lesley Logan 8:13

Yeah, let's do it.

Mary Swick 8:14

Gemini. You know, they could be suffering a little bit from imposter syndrome, very strongly. They could be going oh, my God, I'm in over my head. They've assumed I know something, and I really don't. I'm not up to speed. If there's a favorable one, Gemini is getting the benefit of the doubt here. They're getting pulled in, whether they're getting promoted, whether they're given an opportunity. Hey, we'll support you. You go take these classes, you know, have this opportunity, go represent us. It's very good. So my message to Geminis is, in 2025, yeah, you're going to be a little overwhelmed, but it's going to be very flattering for you for where it's going to take you, go there.

Lesley Logan 8:56

I love that, Mary, because it's like imposter syndrome can be such a negative, people like I have imposter syndrom, it's negative, but it's we're often having that because we're in a new situation, that we're uncomfortable, and so, go Geminis. You're going to have something overwhelming in a flattering way.

Mary Swick 9:12

That's right.

Kate Swick 9:14

And that pairs very nicely with Uranus, because I don't think we quite said it yet. We know Pluto is moving into Aquarius, but Uranus is moving into Gemini. So Uranus is moving into the sign of Gemini. So while it's affecting the things that mom said as well with Pluto, Uranus is saying, break out, change that those outwardly behaviors that people see. So you might be surprising people. Where are you showing up? Are you dressed in a suit? Where last time the job that I saw you, you were dressed in joggers, right? So there should be an outward appearance by our Geminis that they have changed. It might be age inappropriate. It might not seem like that was the next logical step. So there could be a surprise element for what they're up to or what opportunities they're getting.

Mary Swick 9:57

And what about Cancer? Those Cancers. They're being handed power, but they may feel very uncomfortable what to do with this power. They may want to make an alliance with someone, and then they realize, oh, now there's complications, because I've lined up with that person. So Cancer is walking a very fine line. They may have a lot of taboo or secrets that they need to hold. Think of upper management reorganization. They know stuff that's going to happen. They've got to zip their lip in the meantime. But we could also be talking about, oh, I've got a big debt issue. I don't want people to know I'm teetering on bankruptcy again. Those are extreme storylines, but they're great examples where you just not glib. You're not going to chat it up with everybody about what's going on.

Lesley Logan 10:45

Because the opposite of Aries.

Mary Swick 10:47

I want to add sex into this conversation, because there's intimacy, some tabooness, maybe some gossip, maybe something that you're trying to not have everyone understand, and maybe some sort of sexual awakening going on. Yeah, have fun.

Kate Swick 11:05

From the Uranus standpoint, I think Cancers are putting more of a focus on health in regards to maybe becoming more aware of what do I need for therapeutic services? Now, for some people that might go into, oh, I need to go to the doctor. I need to get something checked out. But other people that might transpire, and I need to go to yoga, I need to go to the gym. I need to take mental health walks, things that assist them with essentially, kind of escaping to heal themselves.

Mary Swick 11:35

So let's go on to Leo. Leo, you know, they have an awakeness about beauty, a greater esthetic going on. And that sounds fun. It sounds like they might be around maybe more wealth. They might be around beauty. They may have really influential people in their lives, and they're sitting first row and seeing, oh my gosh, they're seeing how they dress, or what their closet looks like. So they may be privy to this next level of living. And of course, they're going to be little apprentices sitting there watching how these people are living and wanting to emulate or adapt to it. So that sounds kind of fun, number one. But the other thing is, they're finding some passion, finding some passion something that motivates them. Again, so I'm pretty cool with the Leos. Yes, it's a possibility. They're being overwhelmed with someone who's has a lot of power influence, that they're getting sucked up. They're losing their identity. Well, those are all the lessons, right? They may do that temporarily, until they realize, you know, okay, that's not me, that's them.

Lesley Logan 12:37

I like that. That's also because the Leo's, you know, my brother is a Leo. He's a Leo energy. We were in Cambodia, and every picture, he was in every picture, I'm like, how are you in every picture? There's 23 people on this retreat. How are you in every picture?

Mary Swick 12:54

They do have an ego. We'll give them that. But that's why this idea of, okay, is this me or is this them? But it's a learning, big learning curve. Being inducted would be another life, nice way of saying it.

Kate Swick 13:07

And I think Leo's next year might surprise people with what type of groups they're showing up in. So for example, if someone's a Leo and they've always been in a certain industry, this would be typical under a Uranus energy to say, oh, now I'm in the restaurant industry used to know me in the spa industry, but now, hello, I'm over here. So the idea of who is that group, who is that community, they should be showing up in new communities. And it's also a big one for being on a learning curve. So your Leo friends might be throwing out some interesting things that they're interested in that you thought. I had no idea that you were interested in that topic, because they are hungry for new knowledge.

Mary Swick 13:46

And the Virgos, oh my gosh, the Virgos are getting very sensitive about discrimination. You know what? They're going to have, kind of this radar about unequal relationships, where they're being spoken down to, but also where, oh, everyone's listening to me now. I can be the teacher. I can be a coach. I can be the trainer. So it works both ways. One way, of course, they may want to prove themselves. Get out of that situation. Their work environment is going through a little revolution, the company, the department, or their individual business, they're having to make some dramatic changes.

Kate Swick 14:26

Yeah, and that's really being doubled down by the Uranus, because we have Uranus sitting at the top of their chart. So I'm talking about sixth house, which is how they serve, and then the 10th house is the public reputation on top of it. So even though their work has been in a transformative state. I think as we go into next year, maybe they're going to be thrown into a role that they weren't totally prepared for, or they might have opportunities to show more of their inventiveness. This can also translate into the home where, if they're flip-flopping about, do we want to live here? Do I want to lease this? Do I want to resign my lease at the office, there could be a little confusion about where they're showing up or where their foundation is.

Mary Swick 15:07

(inaudible) I'm sorry.

Lesley Logan 15:09

That's right, I was just gonna say that's a lot for the Virgos, especially because don't, aren't they the ones that like it in balance?

Mary Swick 15:14

Maybe I think (inaudible)

Kate Swick 15:16

I agree for the ones that we've talked about so far, that one is hitting so much of the way that they serve. The other ones are kind of spread out. We have a little here and, yeah, a little here. And I feel like for them, it's a little bit more pointed on what they're dealing with.

Lesley Logan 15:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kate Swick 15:30

We are halfway through the signs. So I didn't know if there was any questions that you have so far about what we're discussing. Or we can go right into Libra.

Lesley Logan 15:38

Well, just for a quick in case anyone is wondering about the house. Just like, and I know that's it's its own thing, but can people find out their houses through you guys? Where do they find their houses? Just in case that is a thing that they're wondering.

Kate Swick 15:55

Yeah. So today we're just talking solar astrology. So we're basing the houses based just on their sun sign. So anyone that's a little bit more versed in astrology, they could be listening for their rising sign, and this would be very applicable to them as well. But if someone has no idea, they've never put their birth information into CoStar or they've never had a professional astrology reading, we offer services that would go more into understanding that natal chart, or talking about specifically, where is it happening in that birth chart? Solar astrology still has so much validity and even if we have someone's natal chart, many times, we still do incorporate the solar astrology aspect that we're talking about today.

Lesley Logan 16:37

Yeah, if you go back, you guys and hit rewind, because you might have heard your rising like they did my rising. You can listen to that. And you can also listen to your sun sign, the one that we look in the magazines, for you guys, in case you really need to layman's terms it. And you can go, oh, this one actually feels more like what's going on. And you can kind of rest, right? It's not you pick and choose what you like, but you can kind of go, that feels more aligned with what's going on.

Kate Swick 16:59

Absolutely. Because astrology is just the communication language. Astrologers, like to me, are like therapists. You know, you have to find one that they speak your language and the words resonate so you could hear two different astrologers talking, getting at the same thing, but because their language is a little different, maybe you relate to one more than the other.

Mary Swick 17:18

Wonderful. Well, let's move on to Libra. Libra is finding or should I put it this way, the audience is finding Libras. The audience is finding Libras. Then often they go, oh, these people are interested. These people want to hear what I do, or they want to experience it. So whether it's just a random contact with someone says, Would you be interested in coming to our group? That's a case where the audience finds them. So kind of shoe on the other foot, we always think we have to go out and conquer and find and sometimes the group finds you. That's what's going on with Libras. At the same time they're probably facing some and I'm going to say demons, inner demons, that we could be head stuff, but we can also be talking the physical body. Oh, I need to take care of this. I need to be more mindful of my physical body. So they've got all battle going on, but at the same time, I almost will, within the same week, they'll also have someone reaching out to them and saying, I like what you do. Can you do it for me? Can you do it for us? So I think Libras have some great things to look forward to.

Lesley Logan 18:28

Yeah.

Kate Swick 18:28

Livelihood is one of the words that I would throw in when describing what Libras are going through from the Pluto standpoint. They're questioning is that my livelihood vitality, but with the Uranus, the Uranus also supports it very nice, because it's happening in that solar ninth house, and mom's saying people are finding them. And then the Uranus also suggests that they're being placed a little bit on a pedestal. They're being invited in. They're being given opportunities to be heard and seen on a much larger level. So sometimes that can be oh, because they're jumping on a plane and they're traveling to another city or another country and taking pictures. But also, if they're in business, they might say people in other states now are finding my name or on my website or listening to my podcast, they might feel like they have a larger web of who they can infiltrate.

Lesley Logan 19:20

That's so fun.

Mary Swick 19:22

That's a great combination for Libras.

Lesley Logan 19:24

Yeah, they're gonna be, they're having the great year. If they want to be found, if you're on a watch list.

Mary Swick 19:29

They're going where it takes them absolutely. The (inaudible), on the other hand. Now, okay, we should play some somber music for this one. The idea is the home environment. There's something been very disruptive in the home environment for Scorpios, they've already felt it here in 2024 it's going to continue through 2025 and yes, it's creating some sense of maybe, oh, a crisis. This needs to be taken care of, whether it's a maintenance issue, whether it's a behavior, whether it's health, whatever the matter is here, there are some sense of disconnect from home. Home isn't running the way it normally does. So needless to say, great time for Scorpios to get anything therapeutic, whatever feeds them, whatever can make them feel fun or whole or complete, so to speak. To counter all this heaviness going on. It's a big energy. Obviously, they may be releasing a lot of things. I would recommend it practice taking out the trash more often, you know, have more things in that trash can because you're releasing, your processing. I mean, it's the cheapest therapy, right, that you can get clean off the shelf.

Lesley Logan 20:37

Throw stuff away.

Mary Swick 20:37

It starts there.

Kate Swick 20:39

And then for Scorpios, for Uranus, there is also a money theme to this one as well, but they might be making kind of a surprising or shocking change in how they view money, or how they're restructuring the money that they have. So yes, they could have a surprise. Oh, I'm going to make my money this way, or my partner's money has changed a little bit. It doesn't have to be just seen in the negative when we talk about the change, though, it can be something that, oh, that was actually very beneficial for us. It can also bring about awareness of mortality when we talk about that eighth house. So the idea of feeling like mortality, they have more awareness of it. And that doesn't have to mean someone passes away, but they just have the language around the idea of closing a chapter. And what does that new one look like.

Mary Swick 21:28

Sagittarius. I would say to Sagittarius, beware of betrayal. Now that sounds like a little bit detective thing, but it's the idea of what is the truth. We went back to that example, that 2025 is a truthful year. You're going off your trajectory. Sometimes there can be a little trickster in this, and someone could be feeding you gossip or the worst case scenario, and be careful not to buy into it, because there's going to be intense conversations. The schedule is apt to be disrupted, and that can be just mundane stuff that can do that, so to speak, but it's an intense time period, so they have to be very careful with their own word, what they're repeating, but also who's in their ear, and is it clean information? That would be the key thing there. That idea of being the editor, maybe that's the word. Sagittarius needs to be a great editor this year in what they're hearing and deciding what is actually truthful.

Kate Swick 22:28

And for the Uranus piece, it's affecting the area of partnerships and relationships. So we can go to sexual partners, but we can also go to professional partners as well. Sagittarius might be starting to conduct relationships in a little bit of a different way than they're used to. Now, if you're listening to this thinking, oh no, what's going to happen to me, right? The chart does meet you where you're at, so not everyone's going to experience it the same way. But if you're someone that says, oh, we've always shown up everywhere together, you might say, I'm going on my first girls trip. I'm branching off a little bit. And if it's not you requiring more freedom, then it can be partner requiring more freedom as well.

Lesley Logan 23:08

Which gives you some freedom because they're gonna.

Kate Swick 23:10

Which it does.

Lesley Logan 23:11

Yeah, I know when my husband goes off to see his friends, I'm like, that's awesome.

Kate Swick 23:18

Yeah and if you're not in a partnership, because that's possible, there's Sagittarius listening and thinking well, how does that affect me if I'm not in a partnership, anyone that we sign contracts with would be considered a partnership. So if you're leasing from someone right, there could be something that changes rather quickly, where, oh, I'm just going to go month to month now leasing, instead of the full years, there should still be a little bit of that inventiveness around what partnerships look like.

Mary Swick 23:45

It could also be a very unlikely partnership, yeah, who are you with? And who is that? And that's unlike anyone you've been around before. Very fast moving. Well, let's talk Capricorns. Capricorns, I do think that they're mining, mining like digging. And they're taking, maybe they're finding a talent, ability, and now they're thinking, could this be a source of income? How deep can I get into this? So I'm saying they're finding talents and abilities about themselves. Now somebody else may be pointing it out. Oh, you're really good at this. Would you do it for me? It could be the start. If we have any Capricorns out there, we're trying to launch a side hustle, or a business, or things of that nature, would be very good. But they're going deeper in their talents and with their money. So of course, if we got a spending problem, oh, they're going to recognize it pretty quickly here, and have to put the band aid on or tear the band aid off, whichever is more appropriate there. But I think they have to be truthful about what they're really good at.

Kate Swick 24:52

One other thing I might mention for Capricorn while we're talking about Pluto is we have to recognize that since 2008 Pluto has been going through every single degree of Capricorn. So our Capricorns have been through it since 2008, and Pluto, we've talked about it demands change and transformation. So they've been transforming. They've been changing. And now where Pluto's moving, they might say, I long for security. I want to be in this relationship for a long time. I want to live in this home for a long time. I want to work at this place for a long time, and security's gonna look different for everyone. But I think we do need to congratulate Capricorns. You know that it is done as we get into those first few months of 2025.

Lesley Logan 25:35

You made it. You guys made it.

Mary Swick 25:38

Yeah, finally, finally.

Kate Swick 25:40

And then, when we talk about Uranus for Capricorns also affecting the workplace, so they should expect some exciting news or some change or some inventiveness in how they work. Are they outgrowing peers? Are they having new opportunities to teach or train or coach? Those would all be very exciting and supportive of Uranus.

Mary Swick 26:05

And then we have Aquarius. I feel badly talking about Aquarius, where I've got you sitting right here, but I'll start out with Aquarius requires you rebirthing yourself, maybe under pressure. So I want you to think of the idea of gold. Gold forms under pressure. That's what Aquariuses are. So their timing, their schedule, could be a log jam, so to speak, but they will succeed, push through it, so to speak. I do think that this is very good for those in business. This can be leading to, let's say, big bucks or better bucks, than what they've experienced in the past. So we have some favorable things here. I would remind them take care of themselves, particularly in the reproductive area, the eliminative areas of the body, very important under this energy. I want to tell us a story. I hope you don't mind Kate, but she's an Aquarius, and you know she.

Kate Swick 26:58

Lesley is, too. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 27:00

I just heard all good news for me. I looked at my schedule, it looks a little log jam, so we already working on that, but I heard big bucks. And so I'm very interested, but I do want to hear Kate's Aquarian story.

Mary Swick 27:14

Well, you know, Kate booked a room at the Luxor to watch the demolition of the Tropicana. She wanted to see it firsthand.

Lesley Logan 27:23

Yeah, I looked at the videos, Kate, it looks like the smoke took over the rooms,

Mary Swick 27:29

Exactly. It's a simple story. Oh, I want to see it firsthand. That's what Aquarius are doing. They're coming close to the fire. They're coming close to transitional energies. Energies that will take. We know what's going to happen on the Tropicana site, where we've seen the plans of what is going to be built. They want to be a part of this big reinvention of themselves. And it's scary, but it's very exciting, because these are long energies. This isn't like a, oh, 18-month energy, then it's going to be over. It's a 20-year energy. So congratulations, Kate. (inaudible)

Kate Swick 28:04

She makes a good point about you might hear all of this and sound overwhelmed. I have to do all that, you know, and just the fact that I'll speak in the first person in this, I was attracted to seeing that Tropicana go down, because it's just mirroring something that I know is maybe brewing in my own life. So for Aquarians, when we start talking about Uranus, this is a big one for showing more creativity and innovation, and with where it's hitting, it might start showing up in the wardrobe, in how you're dressing, in how you're wearing your makeup, and how you're wearing your hair. There is a need to differentiate yourself. Now, for Aquarians, that might just sound like you guys are always differentiating yourselves. You are the alien of the group. But again, there's more of a need to do it. It's a big one for performative skills and leadership opportunities, we need to be seen.

Lesley Logan 28:58

Kate, I love this for us. I'm just.

Kate Swick 29:06

I think it adds a kind of a performative piece to the Pluto, because I do think that can be kind of emotional. And like mom said, just like the Tropicana going down, we know that that's going to be 18 months or something before we see what's going there. It doesn't happen overnight. Aquarians right now are not working on things that can be put on the to-do list in the morning and then crossed off by the end of the night.

Mary Swick 29:28

Right. Very good point. Yes, yes.

Kate Swick 29:30

I think we're lucky right now, if we put it on our 2024 vision board, will we see it before the beginning of 2025?

Lesley Logan 29:37

That resonates so much with me, because we're in the middle of transitioning something in one of our businesses, and when we came up with this idea was already at the time we're recording this, you guys, was already four months ago. By the time it's unveiled publicly, it'll be six months from this. And so as someone who loves things that happen like this, I've had to go this particular project is going to take time for it to sunset, for it to transition, for it to evolve into its next thing that is also going to be successful for everyone who's involved in it. And it's the hardest thing. But thank you for bringing up the Tropicana. You guys, if you can't tell, we all live in Vegas, and you should google what the Tropicana being taken down. It was really cool. They did a whole show. But it's really cool to go, oh, a big building like that. The new transition, you can have the vision, but it's going to take time. And so thank you for bringing it up.

Kate Swick 30:26

Yeah, and I hope that when you can launch your new thing, because I have no idea what it is, right, your thing, that there's a performative kind of aspect to launching it. I've changed, or, you know, that there's a new look that would come with it.

Lesley Logan 30:41

Ooh, love that.

Mary Swick 30:41

Fabulous. Well, let's wrap up with Pisces. I'd like to talk about Pisces. Let's talk like it's 2026, and I'm talking to a Pisces, and I'm going to say things like, how did you ever get out of that situation? Or, how did you turn lead into gold? How did you know what to do? So I'm going to suggest that Pisces, you're going to go through a storyline, probably a complex storyline that at the time you may go like, how am I going to find my answer here? You will, you will come out clean. I've had lovely stories of people who came from very harsh situations and they turned around and their life turned out really, really well. How did you survive that? How did you get through that? So we have something going on with Pisces here that certainly does suggest a challenge is there, but it also suggests a big healing going on, spiritual, mentally, psychologically, yes, it could involve the belief systems, religion. I do think, though it's going to involve maybe travel, but not comfortable poolside travel, you know, it's going to be adventurous travel, or third world country travel, something where there's a roughiness, or there's survival. How did you do that? How did you get through that? So Pisces is pulling the old magic trick, which they're naturally kind of good at that.

Kate Swick 30:42

I think they're extracting themselves from something. But again, these are long storylines. These are not just something that it's already done and said. And then lastly, for Pisces with the Uranus piece, this is shaking up their home. So we know that Uranus is flip-floppy, Uranus is inventive, and so they're bringing that energy into the home. Now that can be something where they're saying, oh, let's move. And they get really excited about moving. Maybe they even start the process. They get a realtor, and then they decide, oh, never mind, right? Or maybe they have a new build, and they think it's gonna be done on a certain date, but, oh, it's not so now we have to live in an apartment for a small amount of time. So again, there can just be a little bit more chaos around the home, or some flip-flopping stories. Are we coming? Are we going? So it shakes up that foundation. I would say they have a little bit of flexibility in regards to what the home looks and feels like.

Lesley Logan 33:01

That's fun, mom, that was for you. My mom is, is a triple Pisces.

Mary Swick 33:09

Oh she has tons of stories that you say to her, how did you get through that, mom? Right?

Lesley Logan 33:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mary Swick 33:19

They come out unscathed from storylines that are. You just think, oh, you died, right, in that, you know, they didn't take it somewhere, and they did.

Lesley Logan 33:29

That is so, you guys okay. So, wow, we went through all of that and these two big changes. I'm impressed with you both so much. And here's what I love about the way you guys talk about it. And Kate, you already mentioned this, but the way you guys talk about astrology is that even the things that can feel bad, they're always set ups for what is to come and where we're going to grow from these things. So I think that that's a really cool way of looking at it, because when I was growing up and I looked at the horoscopes in the magazines, you're going to have a really bad day. You're losing money like it just felt like these dark calls, but every single sign feels like they have something to challenge themselves in the next year. And then for Aquarians, it sounds like we get Pluto for 20 but if the big bucks keep coming for 20 years, I'm cool with that. But, we all have something to challenge. And then there's some other parts of us that's highlighting, and it's bringing out parts of us that need to be seen or want to be seen. And so I feel really cool about this. We're going to take a brief break and then find out how people can work with you if they want to know more about their chart.

Lesley Logan 34:32

Okay, Kate and Mary, if our listeners are more than a little curious, they actually gonna go, hold on, I need a little more deeper. Also, you mentioned, Kate, astrology can be like a therapist. You need to find the one that works for you, something that when I listen to her to this podcast, Mom, Me and Astrology, you guys, you have to listen every Monday. It's how we set up the week. Brad and I (inaudible) listen. But what I like is that it is more of how did this feel last time you went through it? Because you really kind of give people the opportunity to shape and work with these energies, work with these planet changes. So how can people work with you?

Mary Swick 35:04

Well, I'm very simple at this point, because I'm retiring out. I'm totally dedicated to the podcast. I love it. I want to do more of the podcast, but I'm not taking on new clients at this point, so I'm not looking to do a lot excessive scheduling. I'm in my 70s. So I'm trying to just hand off what I can to Kate and support her, of course. But I really like the idea of getting the message out there about astrology.

Lesley Logan 35:29

I love you. You even you know that several of us talk about how fun you are to listen to. And I also love that you are enjoying your like semi-retirement and allowing that boundary. We all should learn from that. So.

Mary Swick 35:35

So you see it to be it, sometimes it's hard to unbecome it.

Lesley Logan 35:47

Yeah, oh yeah, no.

Mary Swick 35:50

(inaudible) on the flip side that you could put a focus on that.

Lesley Logan 35:53

I know, well, you have to be it till you see it, retirement. This is you doing it. You're right now acting as if, because we're recording this for the future. So you just called that out. You just, you guys just witnessed being it until you see it right there, everyone. Oh, loving Mary, you get to listen to her every Monday on their podcast, but we can work with the lovely Kate. So how can people connect with you?

Kate Swick 36:12

Yeah, my website would probably be the best place to start. kateswick.com, I'm also on Instagram, and have a small TikTok, but just to do some videos so people can see what I'm doing throughout the week from an astrology standpoint, but the website would be the best place to go. You can book services right through there, and they start just at 30 minutes. Or if you're saying I need more than that, you can go up to 90 minutes. But I always think, especially someone that's a little astrology curious, we get a lot of information in 30 minutes.

Lesley Logan 36:12

I mean, we just went through 12 signs and two planets in like 35 so.

Kate Swick 36:37

Exactly.

Lesley Logan 36:40

Imagine if they were just focused on you.

Kate Swick 36:50

Yes, get right to the point we don't like fluff.

Lesley Logan 36:53

And you guys, if you want to go back through archives, I was the Aquarian episode in 2023 and I know that can sound like it's far away, but I really got so much from that, and it wasn't even a full 30 you know what I mean? Well, I got so much, so you guys can get a lot in 30 minutes, and then if you need more, you can do that. Ladies, you gave us so much. And when we talk about the be it action items at the end of the episode, I guess if you have any tips for applying astrology in our lives, or any takeaways from these when planets change, like how we should implement that? I would love to wrap the show up with your answers on that.

Mary Swick 37:30

I have something pretty simple to say. It just helps. It's like having a friend who can just give an opinion or show something to you that you didn't see yourself. Astrology is very validating, not as much as it is predictive. I mean, we say predictive, but it's really validation is the key to it. If you're getting the green light, that kind of says go. Get the yellow light, oh, maybe not, you know, slow down, not the right time. It's a valuable, valuable tool.

Lesley Logan 38:02

I love that as an item, as a way to look at it as a validation. I think that's a it's a really wonderful thing. And I know we always want to use a prediction, but I find it's easier to look backwards and go, oh, that's how that showed up, right there. We'll all know what happened this Sunday, that (inaudible) it was all in the stars. We're all going to be there. We didn't know what the thing was until it happened. So yeah.

Kate Swick 38:23

I agree. Validation is the word that comes to my mind. I think a lot of times, astrology is seen as, oh, they're going to give me the answer, they're going to tell me what to do. And astrology just says these are the energies that you're under. And, one, so it goes into that validation, okay, that's what I'm feeling, that's what I'm doing. So you're not questioning yourself. Did I mess it up? Am I in the wrong place? Am I in the wrong time? Do I just throw everything away? So the validation piece is there, but also knowing what's going to happen, especially when you go through hard things, for example, being in Aquarius and being under this Pluto energy for the past 18 months, like, when hard things happen, then I'm just like, oh, Pluto chucks, you're here again. Obviously it doesn't take away from the emotion of what I'm going through, but it almost just says this is temporary. I'm learning a lesson here, not to blame astrology, but to just understand I'm going through and dealing with exactly what I'm supposed to be dealing. I'm not the victim. I'm not being punished. This is all part of much larger plan and a much larger cycle.

Mary Swick 39:23

And believe, Kate and I have been going through some really strong health issues for my husband, her father. So we have so had Pluto energy tracking it. And I know every day we look at each other and go another Pluto story for us, you know, and yet we have very optimism. Good people go through those Pluto energies. They come out better. And I've seen some miraculous financial stories come out of these energies, so.

Lesley Logan 39:49

Yeah, I will say, Mary, you were the one who was like, looking at my chart, and that said, you have riches. You just have to mine for them. And that validation of like, okay, because that year that we talked about that like, which hit with one thing after the next, and I was just like, am I even in the right business? Am I doing the right thing? Am I on the right track? I listened to that again. It's like, okay, no, we just have to keep working through it and digging around, and it's gonna be there. You know, after May of last year, things sort of start to come to fruition in a great way. It was like all the efforting of laying the bricks and just keep it going. It was like, Okay, we're getting there. So I agree on the validation. I also think it's really great for going, Oh, Mercury or Pluto all the way. It's a different version than, ah, shit. You know, you get to like.

Kate Swick 40:35

So many people do that with mercury, yeah, right? Because Mercury retrograde, everyone's like, oh, Mercury retrograde. That's why my ex boyfriend's reaching back out, or that's why the call dropped. So many people already do that, and she does have a bigger scope. You have more planets to blame.

Lesley Logan 40:48

Yeah, share the blame. Give Mercury some time off, guys. I adore you, ladies, so much. This was a dream episode for me. I've to be really honest. I just love what you two are doing out there in the world and for all of us and you guys, go listen to their podcast. If you're like, where should I listen? Like you can listen to the weeklies, or like I was telling them before we hit record, like they have a Feng Shui series that they did in 2024 that was just really fun. And it was great. Like, okay, this is the one thing I'm gonna think about this month. And I say, think, that's really what we did. We thought about it and action will be taken another time, but, but I really enjoyed that series. So, so you guys should look at their podcast and look at the the Feng Shui series they did with the signs. You know, there's a lot of astrologists out there, but I really like the way you guys approach the week ahead. And it's not just like this week, it's this plan is changing the next two weeks. So here's how we could prepare for it. For my overachievers and perfectionist listening, it's nice because you can plan ahead when you listen to them. So thank you so much for gifting us with your amazingness and all the information and knowledge that you have. And for 2025 we're gonna be thinking of you.

Lesley Logan 41:58

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Lesley Logan 42:12

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