434. Empower Your Recovery With a Mindset Shift

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Never underestimate the power of the mind-body connection. In this episode, Lesley and Brad dive into the conversation with Dr. Andrew Fix to explore how shifting your mindset around pain and truly tuning in to your body can transform your well-being. You’ll learn actionable steps for improving sleep, managing pain, and building a healthier, more balanced life.

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How embracing a positive mindset can support pain recovery.
Why getting quality sleep is crucial for relieving chronic pain.
When surgery might be necessary to improve your quality of life.
The importance of trusting your intuition when making health decisions.

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Lesley Logan 0:00

We're not saying, you guys, that all of your pain is thought into your body or told into your body like obviously, real accidents, injuries have happened, but you have to just be mindful of how you're talking about yourself, because your body is listening.

Lesley Logan 0:14

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:56

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the rehabilitating convo I had with Dr. Andrew Fix in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you can listen to it after you listen to this one, because we're going to tell you some really fun stuff. And then you can go listen to that one and you can learn some really fun stuff.

Lesley Logan 1:12

So today is October 17th 2024 and it is National Spirit Day. Let's talk about this day, you guys. I really liked this one. There's actually, if you look at today.com or whatever, nationaltoday.com there's a bunch of them we could have chosen, but this one I like, because Spirit Day is an annual observance that takes place on the third Thursday in October, October 17th this year. This day aims to create awareness for the bullying harassment that the LGBTQ community faces. Millions of people worldwide identify as queer, and many more are yet to publicly declare their status. Such a large community of people shouldn't be alienated or marginalized because of their sexual orientation, but the reality, sadly, is that they are. All over the world, LGBTQ youth suffer harassment because of their identity. There's a need for transgender individuals to have more protected rights. Hear, hear. So, that's what today is, getting the awareness out. And so, yeah, yeah, it's National Spirit Day.

Brad Crowell 2:09

Yeah. Unfortunately, this has been politicized, because it shouldn't be. It's just about human rights and people being people, and us leaving people alone.

Lesley Logan 2:19

I know. And also, like, (inaudible) the amount of people who think that, like, children are just going to school and then coming out as trans, I would like, ask people if you are really, if you think that all these people are just now, like, it's just a preponderance of people as trans, I would want you to, like, just do a little analysis on that. And also, I think it's really cool that we live in a world where in some place it is safe for people to explore who they are and share that. We also live in a world where it is really unsafe and it shouldn't even be political. Your sexual orientation should never be politicized. Anyways, I'm getting frustrated. I'm sad for those people. So anyways, if you live in a place where you can vote for people who support people's rights, I would highly recommend you do that, so go do that. And currently we are on vacation. So while we're on vacation from our amazing retreat, if you want to come on that amazing retreat, this is kind of like the last hurrah. Well, that's, apparently not. We actually had someone sign up for our sold out retreat three weeks before we left, because my mom wanted to bring her friend. And so we made, we moved mountains.

Brad Crowell 3:22

I was gonna say we did. We did make an exception. That wasn't the plan.

Lesley Logan 3:25

But you can, apparently, you, just so you know, you can be one of those people who waits the last minute. I wouldn't recommend it. So I would snag your spot now at crowsnestretreats.com, to join us in February.

Brad Crowell 3:35

Yeah, we're gonna be going to back to Cambodia, to our favorite place in the world, Siem Reap, where we get a chance to take you to our house. We have a 12-bedroom apartment complex there, you come stay at our place, practice Pilates during the week, then we go on Temple tours, then we have some amazing food. We meet some incredible people. We explore the countryside. We explore the city. It is just an amazing experience to see another place in a group, where you kind of get a little bit of adventure, but you still feel like you're safe and with a group and everything like that. The one last thing I first landed in Cambodia, we got off the plane, like, 10 o'clock at night. It was super, super dark, and I was getting sick. I was like, on my I had caught something where I was, like, having a runny nose, and I wasn't feeling great, and I was so excited to go, but I was also not feeling well, and Lesley looks around, smells the charcoal in the air because people were cooking dinner, and she says my soul is home. And I was like, how do you know your damn soul is home you haven't seen anything yet.

Lesley Logan 3:39

It's dark and it's crazy and it's chaos. And I was like, it is, we're gonna live here, and we had seen nothing or eat nothing. So that was really brave of me, but we really loved it. And so you get to come to our house.

Brad Crowell 4:45

Yeah, you should come with us and hang out, go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. Next up.

Lesley Logan 4:52

Then after I come back, I go and I'm gonna stay in LA to get ready for the accessories deck shoot. So that is the sixth deck in the series. For the flashcards.

Brad Crowell 5:03

Flashcards (inaudible) talking about deck here.

Lesley Logan 5:05

You're not reading my mind, everyone? You're not like you're not picturing what I'm thinking about? Also, because I just got to finally announce that the mat deck 2.0 has shipped. While you're listening to this, it has shipped over a month ago. So there's that. Anyways, we're wrapping up this whole project and this product, and so we're doing the photo shoot, and all of those on the waitlist will get the presale opportunity. When is that going to be? I can't tell you in this moment, but it's probably somewhere around Q2 so you'll want to go to opc.me/flashcardwait list, opc.me/flashcardwaitlist. All right, Brad, tell them about what's next for you.

Brad Crowell 5:42

All right, so I've been hosting a webinar called the Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator. So if you are a fitness business owner out there and you have, you're bringing people to your home for a home studio, or maybe you rent a small boutique space, or maybe you have a team. This webinar is for you. Okay, what are we going to talk about? We're going to talk about, how do you double your income over the next 12 months? Right? That's a crazy thing to even think about. But ultimately, we all know that money is involved in our, you know, running our own business here, and we work our asses off, and we barely are making ends meet, and it's time for us to actually make the profit that we need, so that we can actually take a deep breath and enjoy what we're doing, because I know how stressful it is to barely be keeping our heads above water. We did it for many, many years, until we got coaching. And then when we got coaching, everything changed dramatically. And so this webinar is going to share with you three big secrets that Lesley and I have determined, after we have coached now more than 2000 clients of our own businesses, just like yours, small businesses, people just getting started, all the way up to people with million dollar studios. And we just had a lot of experience doing it, and we want to share that experience with you. So come join me for free. prfit.biz/accelerator, that's profit without -the O dot B-I Z slash accelerator, and come join me. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 5:48

Yeah and then come hang out with us IRL, we're going, gosh, we're gonna have the biggest tour ever, our winter tour. At this moment, it's possible we've even announced the date, because I don't know. We're trying to do it in October. That's our goal.

Brad Crowell 7:18

Yeah. Dates will definitely be available. So yeah, we're going on tour, y'all. We're leaving in December the sixth, and we'll be coming back more than a month later. We're going to be doing over 8000 miles drive around the country. We're going to basically stick through 40 as we go across the south till we hit North Carolina. Then we're going to go all up to Maine, then all the way down the east coast to Miami, and then we're going to come back through Texas, and we're going to hit Phoenix on the way home. So if any of that sounds like you're remotely close, or going to be close, or going to be near family that's close, go to opc.me/tour. We'd love to meet you in person and hang out and do Pilates and, you know, just kick it. It is an incredible opportunity to get to meet our pups. That's going to be a blast.

Lesley Logan 7:59

Yeah, I'm really excited for all the places that we're going to, the studios we're finally going to see. I mean, it's just going to be wonderful. So thank you all who always come out on our tour. Oh my gosh. One of the, you know how we were in Korea, I was supposed to, we were talking about someone who was like, I (inaudible) a workshop in Korea. Well, someone lived in Canada. Well, someone now lives in the DC area. And I was like, we're going to see you. She's like, oh my God. We're finally gonna meet three countries later. We're doing it. We're doing it. All right, well, opc.me/tour. Go get your tickets because, believe it or not, winter tours sell out really fast because people make plans early. So there you go. before you get into Andrew's amazing notes for all of us, let's talk about the audience question.

Brad Crowell 8:40

Yeah. JoannPilates on Instagram asked, "Hi Lesley, I hear that you are good in teaching headstand on the reformer. Do you teach via zoom?"

Lesley Logan 8:48

I know we posted my headstand and now I do headstand by myself, without you.

Brad Crowell 8:52

Yeah, no, I'm impressed.

Lesley Logan 8:54

I know. And actually everyone is, too. So I know.

Brad Crowell 8:56

That everyone is impressed or everyone is doing headstand?

Lesley Logan 8:58

No, they're impressed. But, (inaudible) someone else did it, someone else tagged me in their headstands journey. And so am I good at teaching headstand? I am really good at teaching people connections that they need. So if headstand is the goal, great, but also, if you're going, what is headstand in Pilates? Like, I really am so grateful that Jay Grimes and all the teachers that he taught who have been in my life have helped me understand how to, like, build someone up to an exercise versus take an exercise down to a client. Yeah, sure. And so that's what I teach people at eLevate, which is my mentorship program. So that's really where I can help you with the headstand, because one session I could probably give you some homework, but if you're not ready for headstand, we're not doing headstand. I'm not going to bring an exercise down to you. I'm going to bring you up to an exercise. So I would need to see you move and then go, are you even ready for this? Is it an exercise that's right for you? It's also okay for it actually not to be right for you. You guys like, it's really okay for you to go, that's, that exercise is not right for me. Like, tendon stretch in the reformer if you've got tight hamstrings. We're not doing that today. We got to work on opening those hamstrings up and finding more strength, and (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 10:03

That takes, like, a week, right? Yeah, yeah.

Lesley Logan 10:05

Yeah, like, a thousand weeks, you know? So, so am I good at it? And do I teach on Zoom? I teach eLevate via zoom, and you can come in person. Do I teach private clients on Zoom? It's rare that someone outside of my eLevate group gets a Zoom call. That doesn't mean you won't. Doesn't mean you won't, but I'm just telling you like, I don't got a lot of hours in the day to teach people, but my eLevators always get an opportunity to work with me, either privately or in a group. 2025 eLevate is sold out. So.

Brad Crowell 10:35

It is, I know, that's insane.

Lesley Logan 10:37

So you can get on the waitlist or you can grab 2026. All that being said, I also do have a workshop called Bottoms Up. And while I don't break down headstand in that workshop on OPC, it absolutely will help you with the idea of how to break down this exercise. And I do have the headstand tutorials up on YouTube. It's free. (inaudible) flashcards.

Brad Crowell 10:57

We also have breaking down advanced exercises.

Lesley Logan 10:59

Guide, which is free.

Brad Crowell 11:00

Yeah. So we'll put the links to all three of those in the show notes.

Lesley Logan 11:05

But Joann, if you and a bunch of people want to explore this, obviously, I don't want you to wait till 2026, let's talk. But also, please ask yourself, everyone, before you're like, oh my God, look at that party trick. You gotta ready yourself for that party trick. So you've got to be obsessed with the foundations of Pilates. If you really think you're advanced, then a beginner class should feel hard, because you have, you are actually bringing all of your body to those beginner exercises. Because I actually would say that there is no such thing as beginner exercise. There are exercises that beginners can do.

Brad Crowell 11:37

I mean, there's also variations on the headstand, so some of them are really intense.

Lesley Logan 11:41

Yes, today, I incorporated, I actually faced I did the facing up today. I took it out of my practice for about six months, and I showed it to my teacher, and he's like, do this. And I did what he said, and it was fucking 10 times better. It all was. It's like focusing my eyes was insane. But when I took it out six months ago, I was doing things to build it back up into my practice. I got to build myself up to it. So, some exercises I don't do because I'm not ready for him yet, or, or like my body is on a pause on that, you know. So it's okay for that. All right, let's talk about Andrew Fix.

Brad Crowell 12:18

All right. Now, let's talk about Dr. Andrew Fix. Dr. Fix is a doctor of physical therapy and an expert in running and lifting-related injuries. He helps run a performance-based physical therapy practice that focuses on helping clients recover from pain and get back to the activities they love through his method, his process of the three R's, reset, restore and reload. Andrew also co-hosts The Code: A guide to Health and Human Performance Podcast where he discusses optimizing health through sleep, nutrition and movement. Yeah, really cool. It's exciting that he took a chance, moved across the country and opened his own business. We're all about that.

Lesley Logan 12:57

Yeah, I know. I just think that's what a, that's a big deal. It's not easy. You know, one of the things I think about is like, people like, oh, I can't do that here. And I'm like, why are you there? When people fight us on the limitations of doing their business where they are, I'm just kind of like, but why are you there, then? Like, are you married to that place? Because you can rent your home out now, it's so much easier to relocate than it ever once was. And people need Pilates everywhere. So I'm just saying, if you're frustrated where you are, you could be like, Andrew, you just move.

Lesley Logan 13:26

So one of the things I really like that we talked about is the mind is such a powerful tool as he said. So he said, If you keep telling yourself, I'm the person with the bad back, or I'm this, you are actually reinforcing it. And this is so true, because you guys, when I study mindset, the thing about your mind is it actually is listening to you and you really don't want your mind to go on its own thing. That would be really bad. That would be like.

Brad Crowell 13:54

What do you mean on its own thing (inaudible)?

Lesley Logan 13:56

So like, if you tell yourself, I have a bad back, you don't let your mind go let me show you how good your back is. You don't want your mind to go rogue on you, because then, like you're you the person, are not in control. You're actually controlling your mind. You're in control of the thoughts you have. I would hate for me to go, uh, I'm the most amazing person in the world and my mind goes, here's 17 reasons you're not. You don't want that as your mind. You don't want, that's not what you want.

Brad Crowell 14:17

But that's, I'm so confused.

Lesley Logan 14:19

Why? How are you confused?

Brad Crowell 14:21

You're saying the opposite of the thing.

Lesley Logan 14:23

No. So, he said, the mind is a powerful tool. If you tell yourself, I have a bad back, it reinforces it. And I'm saying it's so true. When I study mindset, there's little science that shows that your brain does not go rogue on you. If you say, I have a bad back, it doesn't say, let me show you how amazing your back is.

Brad Crowell 14:39

Okay, all right, you don't want it to be the opposite of what you're thinking it is.

Lesley Logan 14:43

Right.

Brad Crowell 14:43

Okay, that's why I completely lost this (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 14:45

Because that would be, that would not be great if your mind went rogue and did its own thing. You would want to go left and your mind's going, we're going right, like that would be a waste of time. You'd be in an argument with yourself all of the time. So, so we reinforce it. Also, I just studied. Shout out to Mariska Breland. I just studied her.

Brad Crowell 15:02

Who?

Lesley Logan 15:03

Mariska Breland, Mariska, maybe it's Mariska Breland. Maybe I'm saying Marishka because of Law and Order, her name is Mariska. Anyways, she's amazing. She's lovely. I've met her many times. She's a great teacher. But I was studying, I was watching her workshop on fear in movement. It's called kinesiophobia. Kinesiophobia. It's an actual thing of people who are afraid to move. And the thing is, is, if you're like, oh my god, it hurts when I do that, then you don't do it. So then when you go to do it, it hurts when you do it, because you haven't been doing it. And so we just reinforce ourselves. And so he said, you are always going to have a bad back because that's what you keep telling yourself, and also because of your, because you tell yourself that, then you don't do the things that would actually help your back out. Because you're like, I have a bad back, and so you're not strengthening your core, you're not challenging things. You are just kind of staying in that thing. And he said, to change the narratives, like, I used to have pain, but I'm doing things to improve it, so I can do X, Y and Z in the future, there's actual and because I just dodged this workshop, there is a lot of science in the power of positivity and reframing. I'm not able to do this today. For example, Joann with the headstand. She can't. If she walked away and said, I can't do a headstand, she'll never do a headstand. But if she says, I'm not able to do a headstand yet, and I'm working on doing X, Y and Z, she is preparing her mind for being able to do a headstand. She's telling her mind it's going to be a thing we're gonna have, we're gonna get there. And because it's so positive, and because she's actually proclaiming that these things are there, you're allowing space for your body to feel safe in the practice of getting the thing.

Brad Crowell 16:32

Yeah, I can totally relate to this, too. Because when I was younger, my mom told me, oh, we have very limber bodies. And because we have very limber bodies, we just always have back pain. That was her lived experience. She was in a car accident when she was a kid, and for 20-plus years, had really, really challenging back problems, and she was always like the athlete, but was the skinny kid athlete, right? Never, she could be blown over. And the same thing for me when I got on the soccer field, when I got in high school, I was muscled off the ball all the time because I was too skinny. And I was like, I guess this is just how I'm always going to be. And then when I moved to Los Angeles, I slept on the floor because I didn't have the money to buy a $5,000 mattress, so I figured it would be better for my body if I slept on a hard surface, so I slept on the floor. And I told myself that for years, I slept on the floor for four years, and that's because I was like, the floor is better than any shitty bed I'm going to be able to afford, so I'm just going to sleep on the floor. Now, I probably could have slept on a futon, but I didn't. I think it was also a little bit of pride in there, because it's quite a story to tell. But the story I told myself was like, I'm always going to be weak. I'm always going to have this back pain. It didn't even change when I got started doing yoga, until it changed, and all of a sudden I was like, oh, I don't hurt it anymore. This is crazy, right? I didn't even it wasn't like my mindset changed. It was like, my my physical I wanted to do something so much that I actually my body changed after doing it and then I was like, oh, I don't have to be in pain every day. I'm not in pain right now. This is crazy.

Lesley Logan 18:09

Yeah and that because, that desire to want something helps people get around the limitations that they have. And by the way.

Brad Crowell 18:15

Well, I think you could do it opposite the way I do. I fell in love with the idea of doing yoga before I realized that that would help my back.

Lesley Logan 18:22

Yeah, you totally can. And I think we're not saying, you guys, that all of your pain is thought into your body, or told into your body, like, obviously, like, real accidents, injuries have happened, but you have to just be mindful of how you're talking about yourself, because your body is listening.

Brad Crowell 18:38

Yeah, yeah, it totally is.

Lesley Logan 18:40

All right. What'd you love?

Brad Crowell 18:41

All right. So what I really found interesting, intriguing, in fact, because this is not the way that I've always thought about it, is he basically was saying, when it comes to surgery and making decisions that seem like they're going to change everything, which surgery certainly can change everything in a good or a bad way. Often people are told, hey, you can build muscle around this instead of having a surgery, because you don't want to, you know, have the surgery now and then hurt it again, and then have to have another one later, or whatever. And he said he kind of focuses on the quality of life. If the injury that you're having is preventing you from doing the activity that you enjoyed, then he would rather have the surgery twice than wait. You know, preferred addressing the issue when, when it impacts his ability to do the activity he enjoyed. For my sister, she was a semi-pro soccer player. She was like, on the path and like trying to go do that professionally, and she had an ACL tear. That one was pretty clear she can't, literally couldn't walk properly if she didn't have the surgery. And so, you know, she had the surgery, and then from there, she went back and did a long amount of rehab, and then started playing soccer again, until another one down the road did happen and that she decided, okay, we're done doing this. But the reality is she probably could have lived around for a long time before having the surgery later on, whenever that is, or whatever, but she wouldn't have been able to go back and continue playing at all, or coaching or doing any of the things that bring her joy. I think another example would be like Lori on the OPC platform. She was in a car accident and had to have her spine fused, and that's a scary thing, like having your vertebrae fused can become a very limiting problem, but had she not, she would have been living in incredible amount of pain, and what she's been able to persevere despite having a fusion has led to an amazing life.

Lesley Logan 20:42

Right? And I just think I really like this, because it's like, how long have you been, like, dealing with it, dealing with, insert, the issue with your body, ache and pain, some sort of limitation, and is it keeping you from saying yes to things that you want to say yes to? Are you not putting things on your vision board? Are you not going on a trip? Are you on the trip and everyone goes up and you just stay there? If that's you, then it may be worth looking at the support that can help you. Now, you might be like Lesley and Brad and Dr. Andrew, like the if I get the surgery, then I can't actually do these things, because it will fuse me, or it will do this. Then guess what? He said, quality of life, and if it's gonna affect all about you, then you don't do the surgery. You can actually take his advice and use it both ways.

Brad Crowell 21:27

Yeah, I was thinking about your dad too, because, you know, he's 72 and his knees aren't exciting and.

Lesley Logan 21:33

I know. Him not wanting to get an MRI, because he doesn't want to know what it is.

Brad Crowell 21:36

He doesn't even want to know what the problem is. Because, you know, and that, that is a bummer to me, because if we, if he was going to have the surgery, especially where he's at in his stage of life, I would argue the sooner, the better, because he's going to recover better. Now imagine if he's to wait five years.

Lesley Logan 21:50

Or even if he, I told him we don't have to do surgery, we could just find out what's going on, and then we can know what muscles to strengthen, like even.

Brad Crowell 21:58

Well, those are, these are two different arguments. But yeah, I agree. I mean, I couldn't agree more. (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 22:04

You just need information, you have to get the information. Can't be scared of the information. I get it. I don't. I don't know why all of us are like I don't I want to go. I don't want to know, because then I might be dying.

Brad Crowell 22:15

You're still gonna die.

Lesley Logan 22:16

You're still gonna die. And wouldn't you like to know, because then you maybe you go to fucking Fiji. I don't know.

Brad Crowell 22:20

Yeah, it's that, too.

Lesley Logan 22:21

Yeah.

Brad Crowell 22:22

Well, anyway, you know, I think he kind of summed it up, saying, sometimes we push past this tipping point where our quality of life really deteriorates because of the pain, and it probably would have been better to just get the surgery like five years before. So, you know, it's a very interesting perspective. I don't think that that's the perspective of everybody of all physios, because sometimes surgery can have negative effects, but also.

Lesley Logan 22:44

I am having problems with my wrists and the doctors did not want me to have surgery. And I said, but I'm limited. I'm 21 years old, and I have pain flare ups, and I'm limited to using my arm, which is affecting my core, because it's actually making me have a functional scoliosis that I don't have. I was like, it is limiting me. If I have the surgery, will the pain go away? And, like, we think so. I'm like, then I would like to do it. So I don't care that only every other week for one day I can't use my arm. No, I want to have my arm every day of the week. And so I fought with them, and they said, well, we want to do one more test. When they did that one more test, guess what? They're like, oh, you need surgery. I'm like. So think about your quality of life and how you want to live it, and then advocate for yourself in that way, either way, that it is.

Brad Crowell 22:46

Dig it. All right, stick around we'll be right back. We're going to cover those Be It Action Items from Dr. Andrew Fix.

Brad Crowell 23:11

All right, welcome back. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr. Andrew Fix? He said most people think that pain is one of the reasons why they don't sleep well, and he argues it's the exact opposite. He said research shows our shitty sleep is the reason that we have pain. Because obviously what I did find interesting is he said we are meant to sleep approximately one-third of our lives. one-third of our lives we are meant to sleep.

Lesley Logan 24:05

Brad, did you hear that? Did you hear yourself say it?

Brad Crowell 24:07

I don't even understand what that means. I'm lucky if I'm sleeping 25% of my life, but one-third of, he said one-third of our lives, so that we can perform better during the other two-thirds, right? So when we don't sleep well our nervous system does not recover or repair itself, and then we have a pain processing problem where our nervous system doesn't know how to interpret the things that are going on because we have not rested and recovered. So he said you are more likely to have pain if you're not sleeping well. So that's interesting. So to reduce pain, prioritize getting quality sleep, to help your body recover and repair itself. Who knew?

Lesley Logan 24:47

I love it.

Brad Crowell 24:47

I mean, it's pretty fucking logical.

Lesley Logan 24:49

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me.

Brad Crowell 24:51

Yeah.

Lesley Logan 24:51

So he had another Be It Action Item which was, if something was working for you, if something's not serving you, use your mind, plan things out, and also follow your gut. So like, we know we're like this, something doesn't feel right, and we kind of just like, push through, push through. And he is saying, no, use your mind and then make a plan and stick with following your gut. So a lot of times, you will share your plan with people, or you'll like, oh, that's not going to work, but it worked for this person. But if your gut's saying, I think I need to do this, I think, like, he's saying, follow that. That's part of your Be It Action Item. And what's super cool is, well, actually, we've talked about Lori already. So Lori was having a hip thing, and her doctors were saying, like, oh, it's coming from this nerve in your back. And she's like, no, no, I don't think so. And so she was doing PT, and she's like, it's like, making things worse. So it's not working for her. It's not serving her. And so she kind of did some research, figured out, and she went in with a plan, going with her gut. She's like, this isn't working. Here's where that nerve runs, and here's where that should cause pain. I'm having it here. So it's got to be something different. And so they made another plan for her. And so I think that's really, really cool. So she already did this Be It Action Item, everyone. So, you know, go Lori, but I think it's just really, I really, I really like this, too often we kind of just push through, even though we have something like niggling inside, going, don't do it.

Brad Crowell 26:07

Yeah, my, my mom had a crazy situation when she was a child. She was a teen, I think. Her finger got smashed in our garage door. Like, completely flat and, yeah, like, terrifying. And she gets rushed to the ER, basically alone, and the doctor came in and said here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna blah-blah-blah, and she looked at him, and she was like, uh, we're not gonna do that. I don't know, whatever you just said, but I don't agree. And she's like, 15 or whatever. I don't know. She's a teen. She's like, argue with a doctor, like, don't touch me, right? And then her parents got there, and they had a conversation. She talked about the whole thing with them, and they ended up doing something else. But she was like, no, I don't even remember what it was like, we're gonna amputate. She's like, hell no. Like, I don't think that's what the problem is, but whatever it was she said, I don't think so. In fact, also too, we just had another conversation just yesterday with a friend of ours. She has been going to a chiropractor for a long time, and her chiropractor was not available during her session for whatever reason, and one of the other chiropractors came in and she said, I'm so sorry. I don't feel comfortable working with you. I'm sorry. You know, so she didn't want to be adjusted by someone else, and that's okay, you know? That's okay to feel that, understand that, and be like, no, so.

Lesley Logan 27:21

I also think we have to like, that needs to be normalized. And if you are in some way advocate for yourself in the medical world, and please listen to Lindsay Moore's episode. Listen to the one where they had Jessica Valant. You are not rude, you are not an asshole, you're not a bitch, you're not any of these things. If you are like, I just don't really like this situation. Like, I'm not liking this situation, you don't even have to have a good excuse. Like, if your gut's just like, this is not right. I don't want to do this. It's totally okay to say you know what? Actually, I'm gonna pause, I'm gonna skip this. And I know it's frustrating. I know there's copays, but like, honestly, you'll be in the grand scheme of things, you, you might not know what you just saved yourself from, and that's okay. We don't need to. Like, your gut instinct is really important, and you can fine-tune things along the way. Is what he said. It doesn't have to be perfect. You don't have to have it all figured out when you get to do these things.

Brad Crowell 28:13

Yeah, and we just gave a whole bunch of examples of how trusting your gut to say no. But there's also the other way around, where you're like, I know this is the right thing, and I can keep going. So we have this really weird innate ability to be in tune. You know, our body is like telling us, but we actually have to tune into that. Our mind has to pay attention to that. So pay attention. It's important. All right.

Lesley Logan 28:34

I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 28:35

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 28:35

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Brad Crowell 28:50

Yeah. You got to go to the show.

Lesley Logan 28:52

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Brad Crowell 28:53

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Lesley Logan 28:54

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Brad Crowell 28:55

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Lesley Logan 28:59

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Brad Crowell 29:04

That's what we need, write a review.

Lesley Logan 29:07

And then write a review. And that would be great. All right, until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 29:12

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 29:14

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Brad Crowell 29:56

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