In this recap episode, Lesley and Brad explore the foundational role of our feet in overall body health. Reflecting on Lesley's conversation with board-certified chiropractor and co-founder of Gait Happens, Dr. Jenifer Perez, they unpack the surprising impact foot function has on posture, mobility, and even mental health. You’ll learn why toe strength matters, how modern shoes may be hurting you, and simple, effective steps to reclaim your foot health from the ground up.

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In this episode you will learn about:

The connection between foot function and whole-body movement.
How toe strength directly affects your risk of falling.
The hidden impact of modern footwear on foot dysfunction.
How foot pain can lead to emotional and cognitive decline.
How to shop more intentionally for shoes that actually support you.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00

I would say it is the influence on the rest of our body right, like how your feet hit the ground, how you roll through your whole foot or don't, right, if you roll at the side of your foot, or if you're avoiding your big toe because it hurts or it aches, or, you know, anything like that, like that kind of stuff, affects how your body is moving through the world.

Lesley Logan 0:20

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:59

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the grounding convo I had with Dr. Jenifer Perez in our last episode. If you haven't yet watched that episode, listen to that episode. You, your feet are missing out, and that means your whole body is missing out.

Brad Crowell 0:59

Gait Happens.

Lesley Logan 1:10

I am so excited that this is finally in your ears, you guys. I can't even, I've been waiting for this to come out. Anyways, they're really, really amazing. But before you get into your feet, today is July 10th 2025 and it's Global Energy Independence Day. We observe Global Energy Independence Day on July 10th yearly. It aims to raise awareness about the importance of alternative fuels. We are currently using fossil fuels as our sources, and they need replacing. Fossil fuels are non renewable and require a very long time, millions of years to form. They also are a source of pollution. On this day, on this day, we raise awareness against fossil fuels and focus on finding alternative sources that are renewable and relatively non-polluting source of energy. Michael D. Antonovich, a member of the L.A. County Board of Supervisors.

Brad Crowell 2:16

Antonovich.

Lesley Logan 2:17

Antonovich.

Brad Crowell 2:18

Antonovich.

Lesley Logan 2:18

Well, I think you could have done either way. Yeah. L.A. County Board of Supervisors started this day in 2006.

Brad Crowell 2:25

Good for him.

Lesley Logan 2:25

I know. And so we should all so do you know? Just like, just look at what you can, you know, obviously, some don't come at me. I know some of you live in places where you can't have electric car because it's going to be negative 30 and, you know, whatever, and that's hard. But like, what can't what what renewable resources can you use? You know, like, what can you switch out? Or how, like, what can you reduce or what can you be more thoughtful of? Maybe, instead of driving to work every day, you carpool with people, you know, just like things like that, because, like our friends, we've talked about them before, they take each other's kids to school. So instead of two cars going to the same school from the same neighborhood every day, they have one.

Brad Crowell 3:05

Yeah, I love that. I mean, also too, you know what the grid taking more abuse because things are getting hotter and colder, it's important to have energy independence, even for your house. Yeah. How do we do that? You know how my parents used to do it? Firewood, you know? I mean, that's creating smoke when they're burning it. But I don't think there's that. I don't think there's a a full way out of non-pollution, because batteries take, you know, an effort to mine and make, but, but like, you know, fossil fuels also take energy to mine and make, mine and form and stuff like that. to

Lesley Logan 3:34

People had to come out but, like, oh, well, what about the bat the electric car battery, and how long it takes. And it's like, okay, but the ozone layer, like the ozone layer, guys?

Brad Crowell 3:46

Yeah. I mean, there's still a lot of issue with getting the materials to make the batteries themselves. But, you know, I think that there's, it's inevitable we need to transition away from what we've been doing for the past 100 years that has actually damaged our planet.

Lesley Logan 4:00

And also, fight with the cities to make sure they have public transportation that is easier to use, because, like, if you could take a train or a bus rather than co-drive your car. Yeah, yeah. I'm not saying that you don't, like, we don't have electric cars, but what I am saying is, like, we also don't drive every day. You know, like we there's a certain thing that we what can we be thoughtful about? You know, like, how can we be thoughtful? We talked about this other day, about, like, the plants that you plant, like, are they native plants so that they don't need as much water, like, all these different things, so that, you know, you could just, we can keep this fucking world somewhat livable.

Brad Crowell 4:36

Keep this world. Global Energy Independence Day is today, July 10th.

Lesley Logan 4:41

All right.

Brad Crowell 4:42

Yesterday, we hosted the eLevate workout. So if you missed it, the replay is available on the website. It's a workout that you could take for free. The reason that we hosted that workout is so that we could also answer questions that you actually might have about Lesley's mentorship program. It's a nine month program. It's called eLevate. It's specifically for Pilates teachers to help them tie everything together when it comes to this Pilates method that we have inherited here from from our dear Joe Pilates guy.

Lesley Logan 5:10

Our dear Joe.

Brad Crowell 5:11

Our dear Joe. The reality is that the way that marketing has taken the world by storm when it comes to Pilates is that most people just think Pilates is one of the many pieces of equipment that are involved in the system of Pilates, and they just don't know all of the other pieces. And often what happens in our training is that there's a major focus on one or two pieces of equipment, and people don't see the bigger picture. And so during eLevate, it allows you the opportunity to dive in on the Cadillac, the chairs, the barrels, and then, of course, also the Reformer and the mat. But you know, it brings it all together.

Lesley Logan 5:47

It and it's even if you've like, I want to highlight it brings it all together. Even if you've learned all these things, are you using them as a system?

Brad Crowell 5:54

Sure.

Lesley Logan 5:54

Because that's something that, like, I think, is the most mind-blowing part of it all for the eLevators is to, like, see how all these exercises work together. And it's not like I'm doing Reformer Pilates, I'm doing Tower Pilates, I'm doing Wunda Chair Pilates. You're doing Pilates.

Brad Crowell 6:09

I only do Toe Corrector Pilates, people, okay.

Lesley Logan 6:11

Well, on this episode, I think we can be okay with that. All right. Next week, July 17th, Agency Mini is back. This is for Pilates instructors and studio owners who run their own business or want to run their own business, not for the Pilates employees, love you, but you there's not.

Brad Crowell 6:29

Well, you can come in and join us. There's no reason you can't do that, but you're going to feel frustrated because you don't have control to adjust the things that we're going to be discussing.

Lesley Logan 6:39

Yeah, or you can come because, you know you want to be doing that.

Brad Crowell 6:42

That's right. I was gonna I was gonna argue it's still valuable, because maybe that's what you want to do in the future, is open up your own space, or have a home studio, or take some clients on the side, where you are in control of what you're charging.

Lesley Logan 6:53

It's also okay to love being an employee like we love (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 6:55

Totally is, 100%.

Lesley Logan 6:57

So in Agency Mini, it's three days. We'll have a live webinar. We'll have a day where you do your homework, you can choose to use the Lesley on Demand tool. And then we'll have an office hours day complete with breath work. And there is two days of replay. So even if you are busy the 17th and 19th of 17th through 19th of July, you'll have two extra days for those replays.

Brad Crowell 6:57

Three. 21st and 22nd of replays.

Lesley Logan 7:17

Look how generous you are. That clearly was not something I said. So anyways, you guys, look at that. And if you go to prfit.biz/mini you can sign up. It's 62.50 right now. But there's ways to get coaching call with us. Even though you're not an Agency member, there's a lot of different little extra goodies in there.

Brad Crowell 7:29

Yeah, I mean, 62.50 the value of the overall value is 980 bucks, y'all, we're set we're offering it to you for 62.50, so go to prfit.biz that's profit without the O dot biz slash mini.

Lesley Logan 7:48

And then in a couple weeks, we leave for summer tour.

Brad Crowell 7:51

I'm so excited this, y'all, Lesley and I have had a mission to make the van hospitable in more extreme weather, and we've been able to pull it off. We finally got an air conditioner heater inside of the van. So that.

Lesley Logan 8:05

Yeah, because we had a fan before for last summer tour. And let me just tell you, if it's 100 degrees out and the fan is just sucking out hot air, it's not really cold.

Brad Crowell 8:15

It's not bringing in any cold air. It's bringing in what's outside. So, in this case, we actually now have an AC unit and heater, so when we're in the cold, we can kick it on. When we're in the heat, we can kick it on. And so that's been really, really exciting. And we're gonna kick those tires, as it were, on this tour. It's 4500 miles. We're gonna be gone for 25 days, and we're gonna be doing our very first international tour, y'all, we're going up into Canada. We're going to hit three cities up in Canada. We're going to hit another 13 cities in the United States, and we can't wait to meet you in person. We're going to take Bayon with us. You get to hang with him, and he's just so fun. So go to opc.me/tour that's opc.me/tour.

Lesley Logan 8:58

And there's a virtual option on this tour as well. So if you can't go to this in person, there are two workshops that are virtually we will be doing hybrid. And so we invite you, if you're filling the FOMO, to sign up for those.

Brad Crowell 9:09

And if you're trying to figure out where they are, they're in Calgary. Okay, so when you go to opc.me/tour, click on the Calgary stop in there, you'll see there's two workshops. They're going to be those virtual workshops. Good point. Love that. It is the first time we've ever offered that available to everybody. So that's, that's a big deal. So check that out. All right. Next up, we are going to be in the U.K.

Lesley Logan 9:10

We're still touring. It's just a different tour, instead of the OPC Summer Tour, it's the U.K. Mullet Tour, and it's business in the front and Pilates in the back. So there's business, like life-type workshop in the morning and then Pilate workshops in the daytime, plus a class if you are there's two locations. You can go to Leeds or Essex or both. There's only one workshop that crosses over and you want to go to opc.me/uk there are day passes for the Essex stop, because that is during the week. Yep, we're doing a workshop on a Tuesday and a Wednesday, because sometimes that's the best day. And then we have the weekend, the Saturday, Sunday options are at the Leeds location and that that only has a couple spots left. So opc.me/uk to get your spots for that.

Brad Crowell 10:10

And then finally, come join us in Cambodia. We'll be there in October. It's going to be just an amazing trip. We're really, really looking forward to it. It's going to be one of those, like, markers in your life, where you get to look back on and go, remember when it's going to be one of those, like, literally, we have people who have gone on this trip, and then they've talked about it so much when they got home that they came back with their friends the next year. It's happened three times now over the years.

Lesley Logan 10:38

Three times.

Brad Crowell 10:38

Three different times we've had repeat visitors, because it's just one of those trips that is mind-blowing. So, crowsnestretreats.com. Come do Pilates. Come eat amazing food. Meet awesome people and actually take a break from life. Take a retreat. Take a retreat. Come join us. All right, before we get into this great gait conversation that we have with Jenifer Perez, trying to be cute there, we had a question, and it was from @MailSandyMurali from YouTube asks, "Can you talk about flat cervical neck or herniation in cervical areas and the effect of exercises such as jackknife?

Lesley Logan 11:16

Okay, so the Jackknife exercise is one of many exercises and Pilates that you go overhead. And so if you have stuff going on with your neck, like herniation, you don't, it's not for you.

Brad Crowell 11:27

Not allowed. Don't do it.

Lesley Logan 11:28

No. So if you have a flat neck, and there's no pain or contraindications, like you just have, like a military spine, yeah, it's just like Brad.

Brad Crowell 11:37

Brad has this.

Lesley Logan 11:38

You, you can do overhead exercises, that being said, they're going to be much harder, because we've got to be able to flex your thoracic spine and stand on those shoulders so you, so Jackknife does not it no overhead exercise should be weight on your neck at all. It's not like a shoulder stand in yoga, like there's no and actually there's no weight on your neck there you're using blankets, if you do it correctly, to be up on your shoulders, but there's no weight on your neck. You are on your shoulders. But typically, if you have a herniation of the neck, have to be mindful of the things you're doing with your shoulders, and especially the weight you're putting there, because it's very easy for you to strain that, right? So, so if you have a flat cervical neck, and there's no issues, no conjugations, we just have to really build up your shoulder stability. You can stand on that. But if you have anything going on, fusions, herniation, stenosis, things like that, with your neck, guess what you get to do, so many other exercises, so many.

Brad Crowell 12:33

499 other exercises.

Lesley Logan 12:35

Yeah, yeah, double.

Brad Crowell 12:36

Well, any of them that are not going upside down in the back.

Lesley Logan 12:39

Well, and also, Jackknife is a flex like a dynamic exercise, where you flex your spine, and then you stand on your shoulders, and then you guide everything down with your core, and then you work the legs away. So double straight leg stretch is great for you. Elephant is great for you. Up stretch up stretch combo is going to be good for you if you can get to extension. But up stretch for sure. So, like, there's just so many so don't ever, ever let overhead exercises like being outside of your practice make you go, oh, I'll never be advanced. No, an advanced practitioner means that even beginner exercises are hard for you, so just omit those things that are overhead and replace them. Like if you're doing OPC classes, you'd replace Jackknife with an exercise that was challenging for you. Boom, there you go.

Brad Crowell 13:19

I dig it. Well, that's a that's a really helpful explanation, and thanks for writing in your question. If you have a question, please join us by going to beitpod.com/questions, beitpod.com/questions and you can submit a question there, or you can submit a win. If you listen to the pod, you're very familiar with our Friday episodes, where we get to celebrate you. This is the easiest way for you to send that in. Send in your questions beitpod.com/questions. Yeah, let's do it, people, let's get to it.

Brad Crowell 13:49

Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into this really helpful conversation that Lesley had with Dr. Jenifer Perez. All about the feet.

Brad Crowell 13:57

Okay, now let's talk about Dr. Jenifer Perez. Dr. Perez is a is a doctor of chiropractics and a lower extremity specialist, as well as the co-founder and vice president of Gait Happens G-A-I-T gait as in, how you walk. A platform dedicated to helping people understand, strengthen and reclaim their foot health. Though initially uninterested in feet, her perspective shifted after discovering the critical role they play in overall biomechanics. Today, she empowers people through evidence-based tools and exercises that address common issues like foot pain, plantar fasciitis and bunions. Her mission is to help people move better, starting from the ground up.

Lesley Logan 14:39

Yeah, I mean so many things I like that she said, I actually still follow them and like, do their tips, and I am a big fan of their toe spacers. And we do have an affiliate link, and we do have discounts for you. So make sure you go into the show notes. I think the code is Lesley, if I'm not mistaken, just L-E-S-L-E-Y but you'll have our links in there. Get the tools you need. I like the little to spreaders, I like, like little TheraBands for my toes, which is really, really fun. So anyways, one of the things that I love that she said is our feet are our foundation, and how they interact with the ground has a huge influence on the rest of our body. I would say it is the influence on the rest of our body, right, like how your feet hit the ground, how your how you roll through your whole foot, or don't right, if you roll at the side of your foot, or if you're avoiding your big toe because it hurts or it aches, or, you know, anything like that, like that kind of stuff affects how your body is moving through the world. And she said modern footwear is a major contributor to foot dysfunction. And we talked a lot about modern footwear, and like, Brad, save its handles and, and just like, you know, I've been really interested in this. I was buying some new weight training shoes, and I was quite specific. And, like, look at the weight training she was like, okay, how do I get ones that have a wide toe box for my foot? How do I get ones that don't that I can, like, really feel my feet on the ground that, you know, like, I, I really happen to, like, the ones I'm using. It's almost like I'm not wearing shoes, which is really nice, but they're not, they're not like Vibrams or whatever, but they're really, really great. So I just think that, like, we need to be more conscientious of the shoes that we're buying and how we're doing this is affecting our whole body. And she said, because your body can only move in the range of motion that's allowed if you're working with shoes that don't let you roll through your feet because they're really stiff, or you're working, you know, you're walking around in heels, they have a time and a place my loves, but like, it affects how your whole body moves, and that's why your back can hurt, or your hips can hurt, or things like that. And she said there's a ton of small things you can do to add to your foot health each day. So you guys, like, right here, while you're listening to this pod like you can actually massage your foot, like you could have, we have a noboso ball that is in Brad's office, and we just both toss it on the floor. We're watching TV, and we, like, roll our feet on this ball, because it's so good for spreading the bone, spreading the toes, things like that. So you gotta give your feet a little love. That's what she said.

Brad Crowell 16:56

Yeah, I was listening, when I was listening to the interview, what struck me was the progression that we make inadvertently a negative progression, so I guess it's a regression in our foot health when we try to solve the problem by putting them into comfy shoes, right? So we put it into a shoe that we're like, oh, feels so much better, and then that only lasts for so long, and then we need to find a better solution, or another solution. And then now we have a softer shoe, or we have, you know, whatever, and it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. And she said, at one point, we have to break that cycle. And how do we break the cycle? You can do it with Pilates, y'all. You can also work with them if it's really a bad thing, like if you got a lot going on there, and they'll, they'll be able to help you start to figure that out. But you know, she said, I love my Birkenstocks. I'm a big fan. And she said, there's a couple of really amazing things. They let you spread your toes wide and all that kind of stuff, she said, but they're also a very stiff shoe, and so you're not bending your foot, you know, during your walk, as you're walking the way that you ultimately want to be doing. And so while it certainly, it's not like a it's not a bad shoe. It's also, if you're only wearing Berks all day, everyday, you're not actually helping yourself either, right? So, you know it's, it was just interesting to hear her say that.

Lesley Logan 18:10

So, just so you know, Dr. Jenifer Perez, Brad, walks on the treadmill at the gym without shoes on which I don't know is any better for his foot health, but.

Brad Crowell 18:20

I do not walk on the treadmill with no shoes on. No.

Lesley Logan 18:23

I caught you, yes, oh, yes you did.

Brad Crowell 18:27

Yeah, maybe, maybe I had socks. Okay, if you're, so, so, one thing she also talked about, which I thought was really helpful, is she said, if you're in pain and you're not active, other things are going to shut down, right? And she said being unable to walk or participate in activities you enjoy due to foot pain can also lead to mental and emotional decline. She said at the end of the day, foot pain, it affects every part of you, and it does hold us back. She highlighted research that indicated that where there's a connection between cognitive ability and mobility, your brain actually, like is affected by this, right? She also talked about toe strength is one of the biggest indicators of a fall risk, which this was, I mean, now that she said it, it's, it's so freaking logical, right? Because the toes of these tiny, little itty bitty thingies, the ankle and the knees and the hips are way stronger muscles around it, but those tiny, little bitty toes, why do we have them propulsion for movement and balance, right? And if the toes are weak, then you're not going to be able to stay balanced. It's much easier to fall like, soon as she said it, I was like, oh, duh, that makes total sense, right? So keeping your toes, your foot, healthy and strong, is going to help you as you age, because maybe you don't have that slip and fall, right? Because maybe it wasn't a slip and fall. Maybe you just don't have any foot strength, toe strength. Right? She also noted that research has looked at strength of how your toes are strong and what they're actually, like, doing. The big toe, obviously, is stronger than the pinky toe, right?

Lesley Logan 20:07

The goal of it.

Brad Crowell 20:07

Correct. It should be stronger than the pinky toe. She said, when it comes to strength, the big toe should be able to press with about 10% of your body weight and about 7% for the other toes, right? Also, she said our bodies, like, are amazing, and that they can compensate, which is, it's when we start compensating, when we're not evenly using the strength of our toes, when we start to compensate, that's when things start to get jacked up, right? Like, think about it, if you're always walking on the one side of your foot, and you're not using your feet, your toes equally when you're walking forward, eventually there, you know, those that the outside of your foot, or the inside of your foot is going to be, you know, off balance from the rest of it, and it's going to start to affect where, where it gets picked up by other things. I've experienced, plantar fasciitis. I also know I literally walk on the outside of my feet. I literally used to stand on the outside of my feet when I was working in restaurants, because my feet were in pain, and it was like less painful to stand on the outside of my feet.

Lesley Logan 21:10

You can, you can, maybe you should walk on the inside of your feet to balance that out.

Brad Crowell 21:14

Well, actually, because I have a high arch, that's exactly what I need to do. It's very typical to see people with high arches walk more towards the outside of their feet. I didn't know that. I didn't realize. I didn't learn that until recently, until I started watching some videos from Gait Happens, actually.

Lesley Logan 21:31

I know they have abundance of videos. They're very helpful. Very, very helpful.

Brad Crowell 21:36

Yeah. So you know, now it's been fascinating. It's been something I've been really thinking about consciously, and she she actually talked about that, too. I'm sure that's actually one of our Be It Action Items, it is, literally. So stick around. We're gonna dig into that. We'll be right back.

Brad Crowell 21:50

All right. So finally, let's get into these Be It Action Items that you covered with Dr. Jenifer Perez from Gait Happens. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with her? As I just mentioned, we did dig into this in the Be It items here, she said, go barefoot, just for five minutes. Okay? And while you're barefoot, obviously you're taking your shoes off. She said, start to feel, you know, your toes, and try to do it on a different texture, maybe, if it's always on a rug, try walking on a tile floor or concrete or linoleum or something like that, right? Go outside. Walk on the grass. Let your feet move and feel.

Lesley Logan 22:31

Because when you walk on grass, grasses, even though they cut it level, like currently, while we're recording this, they're mowing our lawn, and it will look level. And then you walk out there, and it's like, oh, very uneven. Actually, very uneven.

Brad Crowell 22:43

But she talked about how when you're walking, just feel each toe, feel what you're doing with your foot. We don't consciously think about it. When we're using our feet, we just flop them down, because I don't know we've been walking for our entire life, so you know, but we're not consciously aware of how we're doing it. So think about it for five minutes. Actually, focus on it for five minutes. That's free, easy and, and like, I mean, it's actually very enlightening, because I started to notice, oh, wow, I, I almost, I'm actually hardly using my big toe, which is where, which should be used more, right? Crazy stuff. What about you?

Lesley Logan 23:21

Well, I already slayed this one. And she, actually a couple of times. She also challenged the next time you buy a pair of shoes, buy a pair that may look a little different than you're used to. So for example, your it should the shape of the shoe should look like your foot. Okay, so, like, ideally, what people are, if you look on Instagram, what people are trying to do is, like, put your foot on the shoe, like on a running shoe, your big toe should be able to be straight ahead, because if your shoe is pulling this big toe or pinching your toes into, I'm covering the mic, sorry, guys, pinching your toes into a little triangle, duh, your foot hurts. Duh, you have back pain, all that stuff. It's not good for your feet.

Brad Crowell 23:58

Yeah, dress shoes definitely don't give you much room in there, right?

Lesley Logan 24:02

I've never I'm only wearing really beautiful tennis shoes now, but, um, I, we got hiking boots recently. I also was looking I was like, oh, I like this. I'm like, oh, that's gonna be too narrow. Oh, I don't, that's gonna be, that's not the shape of my toe box. I got these ones. They're wide, they're a little. They're like the all they could be, like, freaking Uggs how wide they are. But my whole toe box fits, and my toes aren't scrunched. And I really like it. And I like those toe spacers I was talking about that they had. I love I know it's a good running shoe and weight training shoe, if I can wear my toe spacers in them, because there's room for my toes to be spread out in that spacer and there's room for my foot. And I love it.

Brad Crowell 24:38

You know, another tip she talked about when it comes to shoes. First off, they have, like, a list of shoes on their website, so go check that out and be like, I'm shopping for this type of shoes. See what they recommend. But also, she said, if you're never like, like, like, look what is the Vibrams, Vibrams that are the toe shoes? Right?

Lesley Logan 24:57

Yeah, yeah, they're so not sexy.

Brad Crowell 24:59

Yeah, whatever, not the point. The point is that they are clearly giving you your foot shape, you know, the room to be its own shape, instead of jamming it into something small. But imagine if you've never worn something like that before, you know, it's going to take time for your body to adjust and accept that. So you might get those thinking this is going to be the thing that's going to help me, and it might help you eventually, but start small. She's like, wear them for a few minutes. Then, you know, wear something else. Wear them again. Wear them again, and get used to it. Because I remember when we bought our initial hiking shoes years ago, and it was the first time I ever had like, they weren't trail running shoes. Were they? Yeah, they were trail running shoes, and they were basically, like, huge, open inside shoe. There was very little support, and as wide. And I never worn a shoe like that, and it took me weeks to, like, be able to wear them all day.

Lesley Logan 25:51

Oh, yeah, the ones we got for our honeymoon. Yeah, I think, yeah, you definitely want to start small. Start for a few minutes. Get used to it. I mean, like, same goes if you're actually working on your gait, like they're doing like, I switched my running pattern for a long time. I went from being a heel striker to, I forget what they call it, but anyways, a four-foot runner, and it just takes time. You can't, I can't, I couldn't go run six miles, even though I'm used to running six miles because new muscles had to be used, there's a new pattern, so be nice to yourself, and all or nothing mentality gets you nowhere.

Brad Crowell 26:26

Well, all and you're not wrong on that, and good for you. I mean, learning how to run, it seems so, it seems so weird to say that, but like it's important. It is so important, just like learning how to walk and actually use our feet properly. So anyway, y'all, we actually have a link for you if you're interested in having Gait Happens work with you on your walk, your feet like any issues. If you have a bunion or you have plantar fasciitis and you're feeling stuck in life, check out the link in the show notes. We also have a coupon code there for you. And so make sure you're dropping that in. It'll allow them to know A. that we sent you, and B. it should hook you up. Yeah, it should hook you up.

Lesley Logan 27:07

And when you let them know we sent you, it helps.

Brad Crowell 27:10

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Lesley Logan 27:11

Yeah, it supports the pod. It lets them know that they, you know, they you came from here. And so they go, oh, wow, I should go back and tell more things about the feet. You guys. I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 27:21

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 27:23

Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you going to walk these tips into your life?

Brad Crowell 27:28

Ooh.

Lesley Logan 27:28

Ooh, I want to know. Gait Happens wants to know. So make sure you tag us when you share this episode with a friend. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 27:37

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 27:39

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Brad Crowell 28:22

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Lesley Logan 28:38

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