656. Why Loyalty to a Fault Is Hurting You

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Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell unpack a strategically bold conversation with high-performance coach Molly Asplin about the difference between high achievement and overachievement. They explore why many ambitious people confuse loyalty with strength and how that mindset can quietly lead to burnout. The discussion also dives into how most people are time-blocking their lives without accounting for their natural energy cycles. Whether you are defending a career you no longer enjoy or waiting for the "perfect time" to pivot, this recap might be the nudge you need to start.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • Distinguishing between the habits of high achievers and overachievers.
  • The hidden trap of linking professional loyalty with personal strength.
  • Auditing your energy levels instead of relying only on time blocking.
  • Why your peak morning brainpower should go to your hardest task.
  • The power of committing to one bold, courageous move every day.


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Brad Crowell 0:00  

Most high achievers are taking their morning when their brains are the best, you know, like processing time and they're using it for dumb things like responding to emails or random things that set them down a side trail, when instead they should be focusing on like the big project that's going to move the ball forward on the company.


Lesley Logan 0:22  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 


Lesley Logan 1:01  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the strategically bold convo I had with Molly Asplin in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you can hit pause and go listen to that one, and then listen to this one. If you like to hear the ending first, I don't blame you. I love that. I do that too. 


Brad Crowell 1:23  

She literally does that. 


Lesley Logan 1:24  

I do. I actually tried to get my client today we're talking about the new Love is Blind season. And I was like, I'm only on episode three. She's like, well, I won't ruin it for you, because it's like, obviously she's all the way to Mexico. And those who know Love is Blind know what I'm talking about. And I was like, I don't even remember the names. You could tell what's going on. She's like, No, I don't want to ruin it for you. And I was like, you, I'm gonna Google it like, I know that there's ways to find out who stays together before the recap. So you can ruin it. 


Brad Crowell 1:49  

Ruin it. 


Lesley Logan 1:50  

Except for, you know, what? 


Brad Crowell 1:52  

What? 


Lesley Logan 1:52  

I thought that I would watch glitter and gold documentary, and I would just be okay, a little late to the Olympics, because, you know, I'll just watch it later. Like, not a big deal. You can just Google it later. And then we were listening to a podcast has nothing to do with sports, and they ruined it. 


Brad Crowell 1:53  

Oh, I was laughing at you, because you Google everything. 


Lesley Logan 1:54  

I know, but I hadn't Googled that because I was, like, I was trying to do it the way you wanted me to, and they ruined it. And, you know, when they ruined it, I'm just gonna tell you all in case, I'm gonna ruin it for you now, because you know what it's fucking March. You should know. I know the villains won like the villains won. Anyways.


Brad Crowell 2:30  

The villains won. 


Lesley Logan 2:31  

Today is March 19th 2026, and it's Companies That Care Day. Companies That Care Day celebrate on the third Thursday in March to encourage employers to start caring for their employees instead of overworking or exploiting them. This year, that would be today. Yes, the happier the employees, the more productive they will be. Most importantly, employers must keep in mind that both physical and mental health can have an impact on the performance of workers. Hence, to have a long lasting there's a comma hence, to have a long lasting workforce that can produce quality work, employees must show that they care. This includes celebrating the success of the employees or honoring them in their great contribution to the company. We kick ass. I think, as best we can at this, I also think that if, like, more companies didn't have to make sure their shareholders were happy, they would make sure their employees are happy. 


Brad Crowell 3:13  

Yeah, I know it's, that's weird, right? 


Lesley Logan 3:15  

You wanna know what's really weird. I just saw a reel where they asked all the like head CEOs of the top health insurance companies, like, if they're publicly traded, raise your hand. They're all publicly traded. Okay, keep your hand raised if you also own a pharmacy. Keep your hand raised if you also own doctor's offices. So the health insurance companies and the states, of course, they are not only publicly traded, which means they have to make sure that they are doing as what they can for profit margins for their stakeholders, but then they own the doctor's offices who prescribe the prescriptions, that own the pharmacies that fill the prescriptions, which means they're in charge of whatever you pay, whether you pay or not, right? It was abhorrent. 


Brad Crowell 3:59  

That makes it a monopoly. They own every part of the chain. 


Lesley Logan 4:03  

Right. Disgusting. Anyway, we. 


Brad Crowell 4:03  

Fascinating. Capitalism at its finest. 


Lesley Logan 4:04  

Yeah? And here's the thing I'm not like, if you are a small business owner in this capitalist society, we do have to play with by the rules that are made. Your IRS is going to want to make sure that you are doing something that's profiting every year. Otherwise, they call it a hobby, but in that, there are ways to make sure that your employees are thought of and not overworked.


Brad Crowell 4:29  

I was gonna say that those guys are breaking the rules or not playing, or they have no rules for their game they're playing. Not cool, but I, but I agree shifting back here to focusing on companies that care.


Lesley Logan 4:41  

There's things you can do. There's this one female business owner that she forces the company to be closed one week per quarter. It's built into the schedules. They don't have meetings on there. That way, whatever employees need to do, they can do. Obviously, they could take vacation times other times. But like, you know that's gonna compound their work. But they have that to guarantee. The other thing that they have, they have paid family leave for all parents, no matter the gender. And they also have leave if you had to go to a hospital for sickness, things like that. Like they have all this extra leave. And also, you can take your meetings from anywhere. It's a rule. Wherever you want to take a meeting, you can take a meeting as long as you get your work done, it doesn't matter. That's one way you could do it. We have a wins channel, oh, it's a wins and gratitude channel where, like, different people on our team just thank each other for, like, what they're doing. It's super fun. We celebrate everyone's birthdays on there. And the win isn't like, oh, we nailed this launch. It's like, hey, so and so helped me with this project. And like, that is really fun. We really pride ourselves in that we built in, like, donating. It's not huge numbers. Like, no one's gonna, you know, go a wow, or put Lesley and Brad on the on the wall. But like, we built that in, like, there's ways to do things that make sure that you care in different ways. You just have to build it in. And then you do when you can do better, you do better, you know, so.


Brad Crowell 5:53  

100% agree, 100% and it's fun. I mean, honestly, it's been a dream of mine to have a team of capable, enthusiastic, yeah, human beings who are experts at what they do, and bring them all together. And it's been really, really fun to make that dream a reality.


Lesley Logan 6:16  

It's really cool. It's forced. It's also forced us, like, if we want our people to not overwork and get their work done in a timely manner, so they can be happy with their families and be we've had so many people on our team have babies and things like that, then that means we, too can, like, we have to show them that we take time for ourselves. Because otherwise, if they're like, if the boss never stops working, then I can never stop working, right? So those that's another way to care in a company like, if you're like, I don't have any extra. 


Brad Crowell 6:39  

Lead by example. 


Lesley Logan 6:39  

Extra money right now, then lead by example of what you want them to do, and you'll and then you'll build that in. And then the other thing is, like, that means we also hire people who care. You know, we're we were just talking today. This is, you know, you're hearing this in a month ago, month. I don't know. We're in the past, we're in the (inaudible), but we're trying to refill three jobs, and we're struggling to find people that actually aren't just using AI to answer all of the questions. Yeah, it's like, I love that you know how to use AI, but this job that you're gonna do doesn't use it and your personality matters.


Brad Crowell 7:09  

Well, it can, but that's not the point. We want to know you. 


Lesley Logan 7:12  

Right, well, we're big fans of hiring a personality and trained skills. So like, if you are a bot, then I'm so sorry. We have a bot. We don't need a bot. We need a person who's cool. Anyways.


Brad Crowell 7:26  

Come hang out with us in Poland, March. We're gonna be there.


Lesley Logan 7:30  

Yeah, actually, Brad, it's March 19th. 


Brad Crowell 7:31  

Come hang around with us tomorrow in Poland. Because that's where we are right now. 


Lesley Logan 7:36  

Come to the event in Poland. 


Brad Crowell 7:38  

We may or may not have recorded this in the past future. 


Lesley Logan 7:40  

Yeah, and next week you can join us in Bruges, which I've been calling Brussels this whole time. And, well, it'll be in Bruges so.


Brad Crowell 7:47  

It's near, it's near. 


Lesley Logan 7:49  

I think so also, I also wish I had known that, because, like, people said we're gonna be in Brussels. And then she said, Bruges, I'm like, there's a whole movie. We all saw it. Very hot actor, of course, we saw it. 


Brad Crowell 7:59  

We did? 


Lesley Logan 7:59  

Yes, Colin Farrel, Colin Farrel, right. That's a hot one. That's a hot Colin, right? 


Brad Crowell 8:00  

Hot. Sure. 


Lesley Logan 8:04  

Well, because there's the Colin Firth, not hot, but very great actor, then there's Colin. Is it Colin Farrell? What's his name? 


Brad Crowell 8:13  

I don't know the movie. 


Lesley Logan 8:15  

The movie is called, oh, I'm just messing with my camera. The team hates me, In Bruges.


Brad Crowell 8:21  

In Bruges is hold on. 


Lesley Logan 8:25  

2008 Yeah, Colin Farrell. 


Brad Crowell 8:27  

I have never seen this.


Lesley Logan 8:28  

Oh my god. It's so up your alley. It's totally up your alley. I can't believe you haven't seen it. I've seen it so many times. 


Brad Crowell 8:33  

It's about a hit man who shoots people. 


Lesley Logan 8:34  

Yeah, probably not gonna watch. 


Brad Crowell 8:36  

I'm gonna watch that tonight. 


Lesley Logan 8:37  

Go watch it tonight. Okay. And then. 


Brad Crowell 8:38  

I will report back to decide if he's as hot as we're thinking is, I don't know if it's Colin Farrell. 


Lesley Logan 8:46  

Yeah. Then after our second honeymoon in France, which we still haven't planned, but hopefully by the time you're hearing this, we have some idea, we'll be in London for Balanced Bodies On Tour, Pilates On Tour at the time recording this the last I heard about my my workshop says there's only room in the Sunday one, there's a few spots left xxll.co/POTis London. So you want to go to that, guys, we probably won't be in Europe for a while, and I don't say that to frighten you. 


Brad Crowell 9:14  

Yeah, no, I think that's fair. I mean. 


Lesley Logan 9:16  

Transparency and honesty are part of our value system. 


Brad Crowell 9:19  

Here's the reality is, I'm very excited about the idea of going to Australia and New Zealand. We haven't done that together. You have. I have not. And I would love to go. And not only that, I want to spend time driving around in circles in Australia. That one's on my bucket list. 


Lesley Logan 9:33  

Yeah. Yeah, and if you're like, oh my god, when are you coming? This is not planned. This is just, we're putting it out in the universe.


Brad Crowell 9:39  

What that means is that, if we're going there, that means we're not going here. It's what that ultimately means. And we are going to Cambodia, because we literally put down roots there. So, that will always be on the on the list but.


Lesley Logan 9:50  

Spring training is in May, and that is online. So if you're like, guys, I can't get on the plane anywhere, I don't have the funds or the time, or whatever, Spring Training, it's going to be all about getting overhead. If you're an OPC member, it will be free for you. You just have to register. Well make sure you check your email for how to do that. If you're not an OPC member yet, you can turn into one and then get it for free, or you can pay for it and then fall in love with us and turn into one, opc.me/events is all your what you want to want to do, so make sure you get the early bird information.


Lesley Logan 10:13  

Yeah, that'll put you on the wait list. Yeah. opc.me/events, so.


Lesley Logan 10:23  

Well, we have taken our sweet time getting into this interview, but we still have to answer an audience question. 


Brad Crowell 10:28  

Yeah. So actually, RawsomeYoga from Instagram is asking,

 hey dou run your biz as an S Corp or an LLC?


Lesley Logan 10:37  

I actually love this question, because so many people we in our Profitable Pilates coaching years, we've been doing for a very long time. So many people say, my accountant says I don't make enough money. This is obviously, for the people in the States, I don't make enough money to be an S corp and LLC, so I'm a sole proprietor and Brad, why is that, Brad?


Brad Crowell 10:57  

Oh, I mean, first off, high level, I'm gonna, I'm gonna step back and try to keep this really simple, risk. It's all about risk management. Okay? And what do we mean by that? If the rest, if you're, if you're not in the United States, you're probably laughing, because everyone here likes to sue each other, and so. 


Lesley Logan 11:14  

There's a lawyer for every 100 people.


Brad Crowell 11:17  

That's insane. Ridiculous. That's insane.


Lesley Logan 11:21  

Have you met a happy lawyer? Not me. They all become Pilates instructors. So anyways, so to go to just keep going risk is a thing. So if you're a sole proprietor and someone gets hurt doing Pilates with you, and you're in the States and you're a sole proprietor, that means your personal assets become part of what they can take advantage of. And so you want to be an S Corp or an LLC, they have there's different reasons to want to be one or the other, and I don't think we need to bore anybody with this, but you should already have been doing that. If you are a fitness instructor who takes money from clients to teach fitness, I don't care what your accountant says. They are not a lawyer. They're not a lawyer. So you want to pick one of those. Now in California, I can say we weren't S Corp, which was very nice for California and Nevada, I think we are. 


Brad Crowell 12:12  

There's a couple of things to understand here too. Is that when people say S Corp versus LLC, technically they're confusing two things. Okay, so it's actually Corporation versus Limited Liability Corporation or LLC. So it's C Corp versus LLC, you can actually have the S election on both of them. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. So that is a conversation to have with your accountant. Why would you have an S Corp or an S LLC? That's a conversation that you should have with them, because that depends on a lot of different factors, right? But typically, what we're what we mean when we say, Oh, I have an S Corp, it means we have C Corp, a corporation with an S election for the federal government's, you know, understanding. And the reason that we would do that is because it's just a different way of being taxed. Okay, so again, that's why you'd have this conversation with the with your accountant. But high level, you know, the pros of an LLC are that it's, it can be owned by one person, it can be owned by multiple people, but all profits are subject to self employment tax. So like, that's where, this is where the big conversation is, how are you paying yourself? How are you paying your team? Do you have a team? You know, pros for an LLC is that it's simple, relatively flexible. The cons of an LLC, well, it traditionally was that, you know, and this is hearsay, because I don't have any proof on this, but the new guy at the IRS who was doing audits was always going through the LLCs. They were very rarely going through the corporations. Corporations are typically larger companies.


Lesley Logan 13:48  

Yes, that's what my accountant told me when he brought me into his office. You never want to get called in. Calls me in, done my taxes for like, two years, and he's like, Hey, we have to change how you're filing, because you're gonna get audited. Because people get audited the most are sole proprietors, and they are the bottom of the totem Well, actually, can't say that, because the bottom of the totem pole is the best of the people. I was just educated. So they are the youngest, newest. They've not like. All they do is like these and so, and they're easy, like, kind of, kind of be an asshole and audit you because you're a sole proprietor, and it's not a ton of stuff to go through, whereas the people who are auditing the S corps or the corporations they have supposedly have had more experience. So they understand that corporations have multiple locations for rent. They understand that corporations have multiple different types of write offs. So I chose a corporate because I was like, I want the best. I want to I want.


Brad Crowell 14:40  

Well also about that time we weren't married and you didn't have, like, the the there's a very clear tax benefit to having a multi member LLC versus a single member LLC. I remember this whole conversation, so because you didn't have a partner, no, then you went in the corporation route because it was better for taxing. So and then eventually.


Lesley Logan 15:01  

And then you proposed a month later. And I was like, Well, me, that would have been nice information a month ago. But at any rate, whatever you choose is going to be a conversation about your growth strategy, your goals for your business, with your accountant, and if you have an accountant that says you don't, you shouldn't do either of these. You should get a new accountant, because that person does not understand the risk, and they also are clearly not understanding, like your growth strategy.


Brad Crowell 15:25  

Yeah, no, I do want to clarify. If you're an employee for someone. 


Lesley Logan 15:28  

Oh, this doesn't matter. 


Brad Crowell 15:29  

Yeah, none of this matter, because you you know. And what I mean to say is, if you are only an employee for someone, if you're still taking clients on the side, this matters, but if you are not taking clients on the side, and you're an employee for someone, then what you need is just typical teacher liability insurance and youre, yeah, the studio.


Lesley Logan 15:49  

Make sure that you are classified as an actual employee. Oh, this is because way too many this pisses me off. It really pisses me off. Way too many studios are misclassifying their teachers as 1099s, right? Yeah. They're not W2. 


Brad Crowell 16:06  

They're, correct. So what is that for people have no idea what we mean, so they're not employee versus contract. 


Lesley Logan 16:11  

So they're treating like a contract. 


Brad Crowell 16:13  

So if you are an ICA or an independent contractor, oh, IC, sorry. 


Brad Crowell 16:18  

Yeah, an IC, that you so I don't a true IC means you make your own schedule, you have your own insurance, you have your own waivers. You take the payments, you decide how much money you're charging. True, true, true. You would have already even part of the conversation Brad and I had already. If you think you're an employee somewhere, but they are treating you like an IC as far as taxes go, and they are trying to sell to you like it's better for you, because it means you get write offs. Get write offs. You actually are under that risk part that makes me really nervous and then you would need to. 


Brad Crowell 16:46  

Now we're talking like, should you have a company so that you can protect your own, like, house, car, 401(K) whatever.


Lesley Logan 16:48  

Let's say the equipment at the studio you're at breaks.


Brad Crowell 16:55  

Let me just finish my thought, is that if you're an employee, and only an employee and a proper W2 employee, then the studio has the insurance. So if, if someone were to sue, they wouldn't be suing me, Brad, the employee, they might. I might be named in the suit, but really, they're suing the company. 


Lesley Logan 17:16  

Yeah, the company's insurance would do it, yeah. 


Brad Crowell 17:17  

So then, so, yeah, that's the big difference.


Lesley Logan 17:20  

So you can see why I get really, like, I get really pissed when people are misclassified because you don't understand the liability that you're set under, and then they try to cloak it in, oh, it's better for you. It's it could be, yeah, if you know that, and you are insured properly, and your business is set up properly, sure.


Brad Crowell 17:37  

Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, hey, that was, that was welcome to Brad time.


Lesley Logan 17:40  

Send your question. These are things we do at Agency, by the way, in our office hours. So send your questions into beitpod.com/questions or text us at 310-905-5534, that's a plus one. If you're out of the country, I don't know your tax systems, but happy to answer. 


Brad Crowell 17:53  

Yeah. Or if you don't want to text internationally, go to beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions or you can leave us both a question or a win, because we'll use those wins on the FYFs the Friday pod. So we should be getting wins all the time, people, I'm gonna tell you that we're not getting enough wins.


Lesley Logan 18:15  

People, sometimes you guys, DM them to me, and I actually don't know if you want them to stay private, and so then I don't know, so I need you to send them into this thing so that I know that I can share it. I'm happy to celebrate in the DMs with you, but, like, also, you won't hear it on the pod, because I won't know if I can.


Brad Crowell 18:34  

Yeah, so be it pod.com/questions. All right, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Molly Asplin, and we're going to dig into, you know, why she has her podcast, what she does and how she is kicking ass and taking names. We'll be right back. 


Brad Crowell 18:49  

Welcome back. Welcome back. Let's talk about Molly Asplin. Molly is the host of the Dream It, Do It podcast, and a high performance coach who works with the with high achieving women who feel like there's something more or something different for their lives and careers than what they're currently doing and and I'm already like, ready to jump into the conversation, because I thought it was a really amazing thing to be a distinguish between over achieving and high achieving. Love this. Okay, anyway, after spending 10 years in corporate finance, she made the shift into coaching and now supports women in exploring what they're truly good at, what they enjoy, and how they bring more of that into the work and life that they love, whether they're pivoting into something new or finding fulfillment where they are. 


Lesley Logan 19:33  

So yeah, I mean, I want to jump in on what you were saying. Because, like, I actually have only ever heard of overachieving, right? So when I heard the word high achieving, I was like, is that just like a rebrand of overachieving, but it's not. It's it's not. And as a recovering overachiever and perfectionist, I actually was like, Oh, I could still want to achieve things and not end up in my addiction. So, right? Like, I.


Brad Crowell 20:05  

I feel like, I feel like, you know, like, if you compared it to this idea of high performance, we've probably heard of high performance athlete, usually is, what is the next word that comes, you know, but, but it's very rare that you hear of over performance athlete. No, he don't, well, I mean, I mean, probably just because no one uses that phrase, but I think there certainly are those kinds of people.


Lesley Logan 20:26  

Well, anyway, she said, I think it was, I think it was I liked, that we finally got to, like, address that. Because I don't think on any of the episodes of having someone talk about, like, performance and achievement, that, like, we distinguish the difference between the two, and I think that that's really helpful. And then she also said, like, a lot of times with high achievers, and I would say, I would also say, with the overachievers, we, they. I said we, because hello, associate loyalty with strength. Like you say to yourself, I need to stick this out. I'm a loyal person. And this is something that, like, I come across a lot of times with. I just had a coaching call with one of our members, and she's like, Oh, this person's leaving in May. And I'm like, are they bringing you any benefit right now? No, it's costing me a lot of money right now. Why are they staying until May? Well, I mean, I told her she could, like the loyalty part of it, and I'm like, no, no, no, there's nothing. There's no law that says you have to do that. They're an employee at an at will state. Like, you can say, thank you so much for your time. This will be your last date. But, like, I understand this from a different perspective, and I'll share it like I think it's on episode.


Brad Crowell 21:31  

Y'all were talking about burnout, right, and being the person who is an overachiever, being in the environment, and then what are the story that we tell ourselves? We tell ourselves, well, you know, we might not even be like explicitly saying I'm loyal, but that's how I used to define myself. I'm loyal to a fault. Yes, well, the irony is that it was my own fault. I was hurting myself.


Lesley Logan 21:58  

I think companies that care come in as well, because like, so companies that don't care will take people like you and I, who are like, Oh, I'll help with that. Oh I'll help with that, and they won't go, wow, that person is taking on a lot. Maybe we should take some things off of their plate so that they can do these things, right?


Brad Crowell 22:14  

I literally just had this conversation with someone on our team who's like, this project is shifting, and in the interim it will, it'll basically come back to me, and I'll be handling this role of it. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I, that is not, that's not for you, that shouldn't be for you, and I'm grateful that you're willing to do it, but that's that's the wrong your efforts are better than that, like, bigger than that. Or, you know, the way you think is bigger than that. So how do we adjust it so that this doesn't land back on your plate? It shouldn't. 


Lesley Logan 22:50  

Right and so I think, like, if you're someone who's like, because you said you would do it, you're having a hard time taking yourself away from it. Or you're finding yourself going, Oh, once this happens, then I'll give my notice. Or once this happens, then I'll break up with this person. Or once this happens, then I'll it's like the reality is, is like that somewhere in the waiting till this happens, you will take on something else for them and or something else. And so it's really important that you understand you can still be loyal and strong and a committed team member and stop doing it, like you can't, there's conversations that might have to be had, there's things, but I think it's important to, like, at least spot it in yourself, so that you can recognize when you're doing it. Yeah, and something that I'm having a hard time with in my own life is like, I know that I'm someone who is very present when I'm with you, like I try really, really hard to when a friend visits or a family member is visiting, not so much with people I live with, but the people who are visiting they're really hard to clear my schedule be really intentional about them knowing how much time I have all these different things, which means that I might not respond to a text for a bit, because I I can't be present in the conversation at the time. I would have to, like, sit down, think about it, answer it. I can't just read it and move on. Like, I have to, I have to close the loop, right? That's who I am and so.


Brad Crowell 24:11  

Well, also, too, it's not just that. It's like, it's like, if you're gonna say something and then that, you know they're gonna respond back, but you know you won't be able to get to that response, like.


Lesley Logan 24:21  

I can't do it. I That's not wrong. That's just like, like, I can't be there for the ping-ponging back and forth. And so for me, I am really trying to honor that about myself. I'm a high achiever. I don't want to be overachiever. 


Brad Crowell 24:41  

You know, that's how they used to sell Slack. That was literally the the selling point. 


Lesley Logan 24:45  

Keep the ping-pong going. 


Brad Crowell 24:45  

Yep, no, well, not the key, not that wasn't, they didn't say it like that, but it was effectively like, you get to it when you when you can get to it. Oh, and that was like the selling point was like, Oh yeah, they can leave you a message. You can come circle back when you're ready.


Lesley Logan 24:52  

That is also how Slack feels for like, to me, and text messages feel like you're supposed to respond, you know, so, like, because I can't, because I'm working on just like, not over committing myself, I'm not responding, which is, in turn, you know, some people don't like that, because that's effect that's changing the boundaries and the status quo that they're used to. And I am working really hard and going it doesn't mean I'm not loyal to them. It doesn't mean I don't love them. It just means I can't do it right now. So I'm just sending that to you because, like, if you're trying to recalibrate, which is what Molly talked about. She said, if you find yourself defending what you're doing more than you're enjoying it, complaining about it a lot, but you're just fine at the same time, it might be time to recalibrate. And I think that recalibration means like, not just like going to a hotel and like getting a spa weekend and like, yes, or just that time, take some time to go okay, what? What can I change here? What can I share here? What can I ask for help on? Can I say, Hey, I know I said I could do this. It's taking a little more bandwidth than I thought. Is it possible to get some help on these things or postpone these due dates if you told family members you would do something, and that is like actually becoming something that you're frustrated by? Is it possible say, Hey guys, unless somebody really wants to do this, do you mind if I like, cater it? Do you mind if I like, is there someone else? Like, it's okay.


Brad Crowell 26:04  

Asynchronous communication tool is what that is called, by the way, down this rabbit hole.


Lesley Logan 26:09  

I heard the typing. I was like, what is he doing? What did I say? Anyways, I just, I just want to say, if, if this episode resonated with you. Hello, I see you. I see you. And you're still loyal, and you're still an amazing, committed person, even if you are taking step backs from things, taking more time on things, asking for space on things, it doesn't mean you're an asshole.


Brad Crowell 26:33  

Doesn't mean you're an asshole. Love that. 


Lesley Logan 26:35  

Yeah, that's my next book. You're not an asshole. You need space.


Brad Crowell 26:43  

Well, I really loved when she was talking about high achievers, who are generally good at time blocking and getting stuff done, but they're actually not great at. 


Lesley Logan 26:53  

They're not, naturally. 


Brad Crowell 26:55  

They're not managing their energy well. So while they might be like, Okay, I'm blocking out this time to do this, I'm blocking out that time to do that.


Lesley Logan 27:05  

Brad, this isn't This is insane. This is, like, literally every single woman that we work with,


Brad Crowell 27:10  

Oh, I was gonna say it's very much me, too. 


Lesley Logan 27:11  

Yeah, they're, you're, they're so good at time blocking, but not necessarily putting the blocks of time when the energy is there.


Brad Crowell 27:19  

And specifically what she was talking about, and this is what made me laugh, is it's one of I've heard this a million times, but for some reason this really stood out to me this time was when you're thinking what your brain is like at the best capacity, relatively early in your day, in the morning, And that's like science, right? So.


Lesley Logan 27:42  

Unless you're an owl, there's owls and larks and. 


Brad Crowell 27:44  

Well, for sure that, for sure that is me. 


Lesley Logan 27:47  

Daniel Pink wrote a book. I can't tell you which book it is, but you can just look up which one has time management there. And he explains there is, like, a small percentage of population who are naturally designed to be night people, but most people are beginning of the day.


Brad Crowell 28:02  

His book is called When: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing, 2018. So, When. 


Lesley Logan 28:09  

You know what, it's crazy, I can remember when he said that in a podcast, and where I was walking home to our apartment in LA, but the title of the book not in there.


Brad Crowell 28:18  

Well, well anyway, so most high achievers are taking their morning when their brains are the best, you know, like processing time, and they're using it for dumb things like responding to emails or random things that set them down a side trail, when instead they shouldn't be focusing on like the big project that's going to move the ball forward on the company. 


Lesley Logan 28:43  

I think that's the eat the frog mantra, right? There's the eat the frog first you do the big thing in the earlier part of your day.


Brad Crowell 28:49  

Yeah or, you know, hug the cactus, yeah. But, but the you're right, it's the eat the frog concept of, like, all right, get it out of the way, because your brain is functioning the best then, but we are letting ourselves be be taken down these other random trails by stuff that is not.


Lesley Logan 29:09  

After lunch, after I've had lunch.


Brad Crowell 29:13  

I mean, think about it, from the studio.


Lesley Logan 29:15  

I am the worst, the worst at creative stuff after I've had a lunch. Like, I, I'm a little different now that we've had the Adderall. I'm not gonna lie, like I actually wasn't pretty impressed myself what I did in the afternoon. But I naturally the I'm good at teaching and coaching. I can actually really present and pour into somebody else, but to, like, creatively, think about some project. No, no, that would be a good time for me to do my emails if I had to.


Brad Crowell 29:42  

Yeah, today was really interesting. I actually did my that kind of stuff, Slack, emails at the end of the day. 


Lesley Logan 29:49  

Do you like it? 


Brad Crowell 29:49  

Yeah, actually, I thought it was good. I mean, it didn't set me up for the phone call I had at five o'clock but. 


Lesley Logan 29:55  

But it's a new system, so, you just said now, you had to figure that out. 


Brad Crowell 29:59  

Yeah that was the first time I was like, oh, oops. Anyway, the point is that if you have a bigger project that's going to move the company forward, you want to do it in the day, like for studio owners, imagine, you know, waking up in the morning and the first thing you do is, like, pull out the dust pan and broom and you sweep the studio. You're like, wasting your brain on the on something that is just mundane. 


Lesley Logan 30:20  

And just in case you're not a company or a studio owner, this could be, like, life stuff, you know, like a lot of people on the weekends are like, oh, I want to do this big thing. I want to, like, clean out my closet. But you don't do that in the morning. You like, go grocery shopping, you organize the clean the kitchen. Like, in fact, if you were to do that in the beginning part of your day, when you have a lot more energy, and then you did the other stuff at the slower time, it would be better. 


Brad Crowell 30:46  

Yeah. Well, you know. 


Lesley Logan 30:48  

I mean, Molly can tell you how to manage your time. What we're saying is, if you're listening to this podcast, you're probably someone who time blocks the fuck out of your life and doesn't have the energy to do what you've time blocked. Here's your sign. 


Brad Crowell 30:59  

You know, I mean, also too, we're so distracted, right? It's so easy for like, I can't tell you how many times I actually caught myself today, which is really interesting, that I hopped on to dig into Slack, the chat, you know, to get through everything for the team. The first thing I did took me to my email, which took me to this other thing, took me this other thing, took me to this other thing. And then, like, all of a sudden, 10 or 15 minutes had gone by. I was like, what was I even doing? Oh, I literally got to one message in what I was trying to do, which was Slack, right? It's like, oh, okay, hold on. I'm this is not a win. Like, also, too, I the notifications on my phone, if my phone is up, it's like, every every two minutes. So like minimizing those that's important to do you know, but effectively, when you know this about yourself, if you can reorient your projects so that your morning or your when your peak time that your brain is functioning is when you're doing the thing that needs to actually happen to get things done, you're going to love life so much better. Yeah. All right, stick around. We'll be right back, because we're going to dig into those Be It Action Items that we got from Molly Asplin in a moment. 


Brad Crowell 32:09  

All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Molly Asplin? She was talking about pivoting to something new, like changing things, you know, in mid stride. Pivoting usually is like, I'm going this way and now I'm changing it to go that way, right? So she's saying that it's not about taking this big leap immediately. For her, she did it in a little bit more of a thoughtful way. She said, you usually already know what your next bold move is, just kind of inherently know. But the question is, when are we ready to tackle that thing right? And it's very easy to say, I'm going to get to say, I'm going to get to it, I'm going to get to it, I'm going to get to it. So how do we actually get to it? And she was talking about her clients, and she's like, you know, she had a client say to her, I want to start a podcast, and I'm going to do that at some point. And she's like, Well, why don't you start it now? And she's like, Oh, I guess. I guess I could start it now. 


Lesley Logan 33:22  

Yeah, start recording. You don't have to figure it out. You can always add an intro later, like you don't have to have the name figured out. You could just, like, start recording yourself.


Brad Crowell 33:31  

Yeah, but, but, but that left her, that led her down to this tool that she uses that is like, one bold move a day, one bold, one bold, courageous move a day. And that means, after 30 days, you have done 30 bold, courageous moves, right? And so what is a bold, courageous move? What could that be? It might be like actually responding to the text message you've been avoiding. 


Lesley Logan 33:54  

Yeah, that could be bold. 


Brad Crowell 33:57  

It might be making the phone call that you're like, I just don't want to take the time. Well, if you do it when your brain is active, the most active, you know, it will be less burdensome for y'all.


Lesley Logan 34:07  

For my ADHD people listening, you'll be shocked how quickly it it goes if it's the phone call you've been avoiding, like, I hate, well, it's not, I mean, like, it's true. It's an actual sign of ADHD. So, and because you and I have it, and we attract people who are, like most of our listeners probably like, you're really good at, like, a lot of, like, big thinking projects, but like, you know, calling your accountant just feels like the most annoying thing to do, and then you like, thank God I got their voicemail. Like, you know what I mean? No, just me, but the other day, I had to make two phone calls. And I was so shocked that I was able to do two phone calls in five minutes. And I was like, whoa. Why did I put that off for like, 72 weeks, like, so I just would say, like, do it when you have the high energy for it. I like that. I like that.


Brad Crowell 34:54  

Yeah, you know, but, but, but then, like, also, too, it starts a progression, one bold move a day. 


Lesley Logan 34:59  

That's how confidence is built, by the way, by doing the same. 


Brad Crowell 35:02  

Messy action. 


Lesley Logan 35:03  

And then, by the way, I'll just that'll go into my thing, think about that thing, and then you want to do the future and then do it today. Like, it's actually like, don't, like, Don't go, Oh, I'm gonna talk to my friend about doing it. No. Like, go do it. Send the email. Like, hire the coach. Like, oh, I've been really wanting to get on this dating app so I could find something, put the build up the profile like do the actual thing. Because one, you'll be surprised how quickly some of these things are able to be done in our head, that we've built up to be this hard thing that we have to do. 


Brad Crowell 35:30  

Oh, me too. 


Lesley Logan 35:31  

So take the actual action, and don't let that get covered up with plans of just thinking about it. I'll tell you one thing, one way to really irk my you know, situation is if you just keep talking about the thing you're going to do with me, I can't. I don't have patience for it. So I don't it's how, it's how I met Brad. Y'all want to know this girl friend of mine just kept complaining about the scarf she lost, and I had the exact same scarf. I love that scarf. And I said, if you want, you can have my scarf, the one that you lost. I have the other one, but you're gonna do it with Brad, because I just needed her to shut up, like, go buy a new scarf. Go call the thing. Go see if there's a lost and found or it's a fucking I can't so anyways, I'm clearly not the person to call for you to repeat yourself. I'm gonna tell you, take the actual action, and then if you want to understand how to get momentum going, she did share a free resource called Momentum Builder at mollyasplin.com/momentum.


Brad Crowell 36:29  

Yeah, that's Molly A-S-P-L-I-N dot com mollyasplin.com/momentum, it's pretty cool, like you can print it out. She she recommends doing it monthly, and it helps you build that momentum. And if you take one bold move a day, by the time you're done 30 days, you're ready to fill out another one of these Momentum Builders. 


Lesley Logan 36:47  

This is so great for so many people I know who listen to this podcast or in Agency, because they're like, I just need to figure the system that helps me get the things done. Like, just keep writing new lists down. And this Momentum Builder. All right, I'm Lesley Logan. 


Brad Crowell 36:59  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 


Lesley Logan 37:00  

You're amazing. We're so grateful for you. I hope you enjoyed we had Clare the last two weeks for the recap, so hopefully you enjoyed that she'll be back for a recap coming up, because she's excited about the guest so once, so you'll hear from her again. But we appreciate you guys letting someone else jump in on these recaps. Sometimes it's for me, sometimes for Brad, and we appreciate that you share this with a friend. So share this with a friend who you're tired of hearing them complain about the thing that they think they're gonna do. They won't know why you did it until this point. So at any rate, until next time, Be It Till You See It. 


Brad Crowell 37:31  

Bye for now. 


Lesley Logan 37:32  

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Brad Crowell 38:15  

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Brad Crowell 38:25  

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Lesley Logan 38:32  

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