487. The Mindset Shift You Need to Thrive in Midlife

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Midlife is not a time to slow down. It’s an opportunity to redefine what’s possible! In this empowering episode, Lesley Logan sits down with fitness and lifestyle coach, Heike Yates to discuss how women can embrace aging with confidence, take bold action toward their goals, and stop dimming their light. Heike shares her personal fitness journey, the importance of mindset shifts, and practical steps for staying active and strong at every stage of life.


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In this episode you will learn about:

  • How societal expectations impact women’s confidence as they age.
  • The mindset shifts needed to embrace midlife with strength and joy.
  • Why taking messy action, no matter how small, leads to transformation.
  • The power of community and accountability in achieving personal goals.
  • How to reconnect with your past dreams and take steps toward them.
  • Practical fitness and self-care tips for midlife and beyond.


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Guest Bio:

Heike Yates is a Midlife Health and Fitness Expert with over 35 years of experience. She makes wellness and fitness simple for midlife women, turning midlife challenges into easy, actionable steps that help them truly thrive. Heike’s approach goes beyond just fitness and nutrition; she focuses on helping women get out of feeling stuck or in a rut, guiding them to get stronger, develop a resilient mindset, eat better, and boost their energy. As the founder of ‘Pursue Your Spark,’ Heike also hosts a popular podcast reflecting her mission. Outside of coaching, she’s an avid triathlete and adventurer, always seeking new challenges in the great outdoors.

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Episode Transcript:

Heike Yates 0:00  

When I look around and I see us in midlife where we feel so defeated by what we used to be able to do. Oh, I used to play tennis and now I can't. Women feel so defeated and so sad about what they're no longer able to do that it's time that we, or I, step up to the plate and say listen, it is not that bad. There are choices, but it comes down to the choices that you need to make and you need to see yourself in a different light.


Lesley Logan 0:34  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


Lesley Logan 1:17  

Hey, Be It babe. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast. I've got a great interview for you. This is going to be a fun, uplifting, inspiring, take action, but all for you. And I'm excited for our guest today, Heike Yates, because she is you. Maybe she might be older than some of you, she might be the same age as some of you, but she is you. She is us. It's really nice and refreshing to talk with someone who has had all the obstacles. She's been through all the things, and is on the side where she's able to look at life in a way that allows her to live the life that she wants to have and really have fun with it. And so I'm excited for you to get to hear her and be inspired by her. And also I think you're gonna have some fun little one-liners to write yourself, write down and remind yourself that you freaking rock and that we're gonna talk about not dimming your light. So here is Heike Yates.


Lesley Logan 2:11  

All right, Be It babe. This is gonna be fun, ladies. I have been actively searching for guests that specifically speak to the age group that is pretty much listening to this podcast. And so I'm really excited, because our guest here today is an expert at that. So, Heike Yates, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?


Heike Yates 2:30  

Hey, I'm Heike Yates, and I have been a coach for 40 years and a Pilates coach for 20 of those, and I work specifically with women in midlife, and I hope you really feel better about yourself, feel stronger, healthier, more confident in your body, and not feel like you were held back. I want you to feel like you're thriving and not listen to all the other things you hear on social media that's are wrong with you. I want you to feel right in your body and right about the things that you think about yourself. In a nutshell, that's what I do. 


Lesley Logan 3:07  

I mean, isn't that what we all want? But why is it so hard?


Heike Yates 3:10  

Because we're told something is wrong with us. You look around in social media, everybody tells us that we're not skinny enough that we're not lean enough, that we're not pretty enough, that we should use all these products to make ourselves better in life, and so we start doubting ourselves.


Lesley Logan 3:33  

But I feel like that probably starts when we're very young. So by the time we're midlife, it's been years of doubt of ourselves.


Heike Yates 3:39  

And it's also, I think, particularly through perimenopause and menopause, as we're going through the shift, things are getting worse because our bodies are changing and life is beyond our control. You think about sleepless nights. How many women can relate to not being able to sleep, not even because of the night sweats, just because we can't. And you wake up in the morning and you're whooped and you're barely functioning. And so menopause is a big dip, in my opinion, when it comes to these doubts, even getting deeper and stronger, and we feel like we're stuck.


Lesley Logan 4:21  

So how did you get to where you wanted to focus on helping women with this? And how did you get to be this expert? Let's go on your journey for a moment. What led you to this? 


Heike Yates 4:30  

I'm a mom of two adult children now, and when I was pregnant with my first one, I had gained a lot of weight, namely 50 pounds, and at that point, I did not know what exercise means or can mean to a woman's body, or how to actually do it. I grew up in Germany and exercise is part of what you do. You walk to the butcher, you walk to the grocery store, you bicycle to the beer gardens because I'm from the south of Germany, in Munich area, and so exercise is part of your life. When I was pregnant and I gained 50 pounds, I had really no clue how to lose the weight and feel comfortable again in my skin. I mean, I love my son, I love my husband, but I felt out of shape. I felt yucky. And a friend of mine said, come on, let's go to the YMCA where we can take dance classes, because most women love to dance, and I'm no exclusion. We took this class, and it was so much fun. We did some dancer-cise, as it was called back. Then we did weights, and we did core work, and there was this group of women, and you can just picture this, we're in the basement of a church where you show up with your boom box and a yoga mat rolled up, and you had to bring your own weights into the room. Everybody, of course, had their little spot, so you had to make sure, as a newbie, that you didn't take their spot. And then the instructor hit play, and back then, we still had the tapes to pop the tape in, hit the go, and off we went, and the routines were pre choreographed. So as I learned later, over the period of time, you learned a routine


Lesley Logan 6:09  

Like a Zumba class, kind of. 


Heike Yates 6:11  

Like Zumba, exactly, but it was called dancer-cise, and that's how I got started, and I really loved it. And I was asked to become a teacher for the YMCA and their programs, and I wasn't sure if I could actually do this. Me, who's never exercised, hop around in front of all these people. I was like my husband encouraged me, no, no, you can do this. I think in the back of his mind he was just thinking, get her out of the house, get her away from the baby and the husband, and I started learning how to do these classes, and as I started to learn the routines, I felt really confident. I felt proud of myself. And I started to get to the point where I had to audition, because you just couldn't teach, you had to audition. 


Lesley Logan 7:01  

Right, right, right. You gotta get someone to say, like, yeah, you actually do know what you're doing before we let you do it for other people. Yeah. 


Heike Yates 7:08  

So I auditioned and I bombed, and I had no idea why I bombed. And she said, You know, I can't let you teach you don't hear the beat. And I said, What the heck are you talking about? I'm perfectly. 


Lesley Logan 7:21  

I've been doing it. 


Heike Yates 7:22  

I've been doing it. And she said, every now and then, you hit the beat. I had no idea what she was talking about. And she said okay, here's what I'm talking about. And I still didn't get it. Now she didn't know, and most people don't know, I'm deaf on one ear, and that affects my perception of sound. And so she took my hand and she put it on the speaker, and she said now, feel the beat. It was like a light bulb went off. That was the beat. And so I practiced my routine with the hand on the speaker, first to feel the beat, and then tried to remember where the beat was. And over time, I trained my one good ear to find where the beat was, and I passed the test. I was so, so proud of myself. And you know, it's a disability that is not visible, and it can relate to people with hearing problems. As we get older, we don't hear well. So with that said, once I passed that test, there was like no stopping me, Lesley. I just went for everything, pre post-natal classes, step aerobics, if anybody knows about step aerobics, then slide came along. We did slide, and then kickboxing, Tai Bo. So I did all of these classes and became a personal trainer, and then eventually started teaching yoga for three years, and then I discovered Pilates and fell in love with Pilates.


Lesley Logan 8:48  

I mean, we love Pilates around here.


Heike Yates 8:51  

We sure do. Who does not love Pilates? And so all of this was my career path, but along the way, I used everything I've learned, and I became a bodybuilder. So I was on stage with those big muscles, building muscles, and competing in body building competitions to running ultra marathons. So my longest distance is a 50-miler, JFK 50-miler here in in the area. And then I became an Iron Man triathlete.


Lesley Logan 9:18  

That is amazing. You do all these things and this is all part of the journey in kind of getting to where you are today, right? So you did Iron Man, those I can't do because I can't get in the water. I'll be real. I can swim, you guys. Open water swimming is not my thing. I can understand that. I just don't like when I can't, whatever's touching me, I can't see it. It's my own problem. You know, we all have our own fears. That's fine. So then what? How old is your kid at this point? Where are you at in creating your thing that helps women in midlife?


Heike Yates 9:53  

You know when you think about that as we get older, so now my kids are 32, one's 35 and I'm a grandma of almost three year old, so I want to stay fit for her as well. But in the meantime, it's midlife, past menopause, past all the hormone changes, so I'm postmenopausal, but what do I get? Arthritis in my knee. I have a bad knee. I have a bad shoulder, so I have to stop running because of that, I have some arthritis in my neck, and Pilates, of course, is perfect for all of this to help me strengthen my body and function. So now I'm looking for different things to do physically and so I can swim. I learned to swim just because I wanted to be an Iron Man. I'm not comfortable in the water. I'm a super slow swimmer, but I can do it. So I can, you know, do Aqua bikes. So I bike a lot. I do a lot of strength training, low impact exercises, and that helps when I look around and I see us in midlife where we feel so defeated by what we used to be able to do. Oh, I used to play tennis, and now I can't. Women feel so defeated and so sad about what they no longer able to do that it's time that we, or I, step up to the plate and say, listen, it is not that bad. There are choices, but it comes down to the choices that you need to make, and you need to see yourself in a different light.


Lesley Logan 11:28  

Okay, I agree. So how do we actually go about seeing ourselves in a different light? Because, for example, I have a client that I was teaching yesterday, I know we've been working on her strength, because she's had a bad foot that's been going on, we worked on her strength, and I was able to say oh, look, that's gotten so much better. And she's like, really? And I was like, yeah. We see ourselves every day and so we don't always see the changes that we're making. I feel like it'd be so hard to see ourselves in different light. How do you think we should go about doing that? Or how do you coach people on doing that? 


Heike Yates 11:57  

I tell them to take a really good look at what they really want, not what somebody else tells them they want. (inaudible) as somebody else tells them they should be, but what they really want. And really get clear on, you know, I know it sounds so cliche, but the why? Where do I want to be in where I am right now in my life? Look at this. Look at not what you can't do, but look at what possibilities are there. 


Lesley Logan 12:26  

Yeah, so I just got back from the retreat in Cambodia, and we did some breath work, and I had them visualize a year from the day of the retreat. And I was like, what do you want your life to look like? And Heike, the question of what do they want stumped half the women. They don't know what they want. They haven't been allowed to want things they have been raised or over time had to make so many compromises of themselves and what they want so to just even dream of what they want, you can't even get past the first question, then it goes to the spiral of, I don't even know what I want. What do you tell people to think about if they don't know what they want? What if they're just stuck on that one question? 


Heike Yates 13:09  

You know, I think that's a good time to start journaling. Start writing down your thoughts. Maybe you're envying your friend. Write it down. I want, what she has, whatever that is, if you can't think of it yourself, look around you, and I always say, oh, what exercise should I do? I'm like, what does your friend do? Do what they do. Try it out. Or if you go on an Insta and you see a cool workout, I did a cool workout the other day. I did a bungee workout. I've been wanting to do that bungee workout forever, and I finally signed up for it, and I took that class and say okay, taking action, no matter how messy the action is. Even if you don't know what you want, but if you don't try anything, you will never find what it is that lights you up. 


Lesley Logan 14:02  

Yeah, no, I agree. Like, even figuring out what you, trying things out and figuring you like, I don't want that, is actually very helpful. Helpful for getting closer to what you want and what you like and what you need and getting to know yourself. Okay, so we should change how we look at ourselves, and what was the other part of it? 


Heike Yates 14:18  

When we look at ourselves, we gotta be really honest with what we want, or, like you said, which is also a good way to look at it, is what we don't want. I'm like, try things, go places, but do take action. And don't sit there and wait. And I find so many women don't take action. They sit there all frozen and do nothing and hope that the universe will provide some answer. It's okay to, air quotes, fail because we never fail. We try something. We may not like it, we may not be good at it, but it doesn't matter. We need to take action to move forward in life, and especially in midlife where, as you pointed out, we've been imprinted with these thoughts and feelings and habits that we should have and should behave.


Lesley Logan 15:12  

I'm thinking about some of the amazing women who listen to this show, who are action takers. If they're listening to this podcast, they're clearly ready to soak up information to make changes in their life. No one would listen this podcast unless they wanted to. We're literally saying be it till you see it so you have to take action. And I also know, because I get to meet a lot of our listeners, you can take action and then there is an obstacle, especially for the women of this age group. Their parents are getting older, and their kids are growing up, so they're that sandwich generation where they're taking care of two different groups of people. And so it can be, if they have five minutes of themselves, sometimes that's all they have. And so sometimes it can just feel almost like they're actually failing, because they're they set up these things, and they took two steps forward, and then something happens that takes them out of it. Something happens medically, with their partners or with their parents or with their kids, and then it can just feel like you're being selfish. Just, you know what I mean? We probably agree at the same thing. Self-care isn't selfish care, but when there is an emergency, when there is these obstacles, it is hard to do that. What are the habits or the things that you lean on in those moments, because it can just sometimes feel like things are crashing around you? 


Heike Yates 16:24  

Have an accountability partner. Seriously, my clients that I see in person, they come in and say Heike, you're the only hour this week I allow myself to do what I want to do. And of course, they unpack all the other stuff that comes with it, like the aging parents and the teenage kids. You basically mentioned these two groups, which happened to me this week after I got back from vacation. It was like a tsunami of information, but it's the only time that they said no, you're there for me, you're waiting for me, and you make me feel important. You make me feel that I don't have to be feeling guilty taking the time. I don't have to fear the fear of repercussions, because I was selfish and took care of myself, and afterwards, they're like, I feel so much better. I'm so glad I came. 


Lesley Logan 17:23  

Yeah, no, I agree. Like, accountability can be so key. It's also just part of like, feeling like you're in community and you're not alone. You are past perimenopause and all that, looking back, because I think that's when we get to connect all the dots. How can more women in midlife really enjoy embracing that change? 


Heike Yates 17:41  

Again, it goes back, be honest with yourself. Start finding what your dreams are and your wildest dreams, I know it sounds so simple or difficult, however you want to look at it, I don't know what I want to dream of, but we all have dreams. We all have secrets that we don't tell anybody, because we feel that they're ludicrous. Why me? I shouldn't be wanting this. Keep that dream alive. I know when we started, before menopause, before the kids, before the marriage, the divorce, the whole mess that comes in the middle is we had a dream. My dream was always to travel the world and all through these years, and I've been where you just came from, your retreat in Cambodia. And I love, love, loved it. Angkor Wat was amazing. And I just came back from Japan. 


Lesley Logan 18:37  

Japan is a wonderful place too. I like it. 


Heike Yates 18:40  

Oh, my God, never been, so my dream from before all of this, when I was 23 was to travel the world. I took a little hiatus with being a mom, with building my career, with building my businesses, with doing all of that. But as the kids got older, also, the more I learned about how to care for my parents, we live both in Germany, and how to deal with that side of parents aging, I felt that it is really important to look back at that dream. It's like, what was it? And you'll figure out a way to do it. And the way I always think about is when you have a dream, I'm not going to tell your listeners, okay, pack your bags, go to Japan tomorrow. It takes baby steps to plan it all. I mean, it took me now two years to plan this trip. Even we had COVID, and we had all that, but I planned this trip with my husband, and I told my parents where we were, and my kids don't care, because they're all grown and but it's that dream that we have, and I know everybody has a dream, whether it's starting a knitting club or gardening the hearts out of your garden. It's not about the big audacious goals that we hear like, oh, she went to Japan. Look at her. No, it's about what it is that lights you up?


Lesley Logan 20:10  

Yeah, I think it's really, thank you for sharing that it took two years, because I think we can sometimes struggle with how quickly something should happen, and we can get hard on ourselves that the timeline isn't going as quickly as we think it should, or it probably should, giving ourselves permission to take three years to do something that usually takes some people a year, just because you've got other things going on. And that's where that accountability partner can come in handy, too. 


Heike Yates 20:37  

Yeah. And when you think about this, it's baby steps with everything, your body changes through menopause. Well, you can lose weight if that's your desire, which, personally, I don't like to talk about weight loss a lot, because that's like the number one thing on social media. Everybody wants you to do, is lose weight, but feel better, feel stronger, you know, be able to walk further, to do the 100 without stopping. It's like the little things that we can do. And it takes time. It takes time. 


Lesley Logan 21:07  

How do you get your mindset wrapped around the transformation that you're going to be taking? Because I do think that it can be, let's just say someone also had the dream of traveling the world, and they did take a break of travel because they were a mom. Now they're trying to do it again. How do they get out of the shame and judgment of I didn't use travel in any of these years, and I've got to start up again. And it can feel overwhelming, because to become the traveler again, be someone who can pack their bags, if you're not used to it, it's not the easiest thing to do. My mom traveled to Cambodia, maybe been 10 times or 12 times at this point, but my mom came for her first time. It was her first international trip. I got to watch what it was like to be a first time international traveler, because I do it all the time. I travel the world all the time. It's easy for me, but for someone, it's their first time, or they're just getting into it. I was like, wow, there's a lot more to think about for that. So how do we embrace that mindset, of that transformation that we're going to do?


Heike Yates 22:01  

I think a lot of times we hold ourselves back by saying that I'm not deserving of it. I think that's really the root of like, my mom just came to visit. She's 82 and she's really bad knees and a bad back. And I said, you know, come visit me here in the States. You haven't been to my new house, and she's not a world traveler by all means. Her travel is sort of like going on the bus tour. And we laid out a plan. She was so nervous. She's like, oh my god, do I have to sit there for eight hours? No, no, you have an aisle seat. So this goes into the how do I get out of? Plan it. We got an aisle seat. I said, you just tell the flight attendant that you need to get up every now and again, and then you walk around a little bit. And then at the airport, we made sure that she had wheelchair access, which she was adamantly not wanting to have, because she's strong and she's only 82 and she can do all this. And I said, Mom, imagine you have to schlep your suitcase. There's somebody that helps you, and they drive you around. And then she finally agreed to it. So she arrives in Washington, DC, with the biggest smile on her face while this dude is pushing her in the wheelchair, schlepping her suitcase. And she says, this is really great.


Lesley Logan 23:22  

I love that. I love that. 


Heike Yates 23:26  

So it's planning. You are allowed to have the things you want to. Then start planning. Start planning. Again, baby steps. What is the list that the thing that I need the right now that gets me to where I want to go. And I have another little story on that. I ran the marathon in the Antarctica. 


Lesley Logan 23:47  

Cool. 


Heike Yates 23:48  

It's a. 


Lesley Logan 23:49  

Okay, but hold on, don't forget your story. Is there a view, or is it the same for 26 miles? Do you know what I mean? Like, like, does the scenery change? Because that would be a, really, is it just penguins the whole time?


Heike Yates 24:00  

It's basically nothing. And the race is like from one research station to the next. We basically ran from Russia to China and back. 


Lesley Logan 24:13  

Okay. 


Heike Yates 24:14  

I don't know how many, how many times it was the most boring part of the race, really.


Lesley Logan 24:21  

All right, anyway, because I'm just like, wow. And then it's like, hold on, it's just ice, right?


Heike Yates 24:27  

There's nothing there. It's ice and gravel and snow. And you see a penguin every now and again. And that's, that's, that was the race (inaudible).


Lesley Logan 24:33  

That would be the hardest marathon. Because at least when I ran like, LA Marathon, at least every part of LA changes. I was like, oh, now I'm in Chinatown. Now I'm in Koreatown. Now I'm here.


Heike Yates 24:44  

Nope, nope, nope. Most boring marathon ever, and we're so glad we were done. But the package around it was super cool, because it was a whole trip. But the trip is very expensive, and when I told my husband that I wanted to do this he's like, we can't afford it. So I said, here's the deal, so for three years, I put away money every month that I comfortably could put aside towards the trip. Three years. And after three years, they said, here, sign up, pay the first down payment. And I had the money for the first down payment. I had the money, actually, for the second payment that was due a little while later, and then we chipped in the rest. And my husband's like, you have all this money? I said, "I planned." This is really what I wanted. So when you're thinking of I want to get out of the rut. I'm stuck in here and I want to follow my dreams. It's like, plan for it, and then follow through. Put your money where your mouth is. Yeah, you know, I saved my money and I said, we got there, and it was a trip of a lifetime. It was on freaking believable. 


Lesley Logan 25:54  

That's really cool. I mean, that's, I think I'm worried about the marathon, but I'm sure, like, the whole thing sounds even better than all of that, what are you the most excited about right now?


Heike Yates 26:04  

I am the most excited about on publishing my first book. 


Lesley Logan 26:08  

Cool. 


Heike Yates 26:09  

I wrote my first draft. I'm in the moment trying to find a publisher or somebody who can help me edit my book and get everything together. And I, just before this interview, I talked to another publisher, and I'm trying to make a decision of who I'm going to go with that helps me publish my book.


Lesley Logan 26:25  

Oh, cool. Are you self-publishing, hybrid publishing? Looking for an agent? 


Heike Yates 26:28  

I'm checking out all possibilities. And today was the agent that does a lot for the book, but it's also I talked to somebody today finally that understood what my book is about and could relate to the content. I'm trying to publish, again, a book for women in midlife. The book is all about getting out of the cages that hold us back and out of the rut and feel like ourselves again and tell us to do that. And not everybody gets that. I've talked to publishers who are like, oh, yeah, this is a menopause book for women. No. So even I, you know, like everybody else, I look around I see what's there. So that's what I'm most excited about right now. 


Lesley Logan 27:13  

Yeah, we had a guest on a couple years ago, maybe it's a year and a half ago. Anyways, she went through 100 rejections on her book before it got published, but it was published in multiple languages when it was published, and it was the best publisher, but she had to find an agent and a publisher who understood what she was trying to say, and thank you for sharing that story, because I think a lot of times we can have an idea, and if you put it in front of the wrong audience. That wrong audience, it could be a family member, or one of your best friends, but they're not the audience for that idea or for that thing, and they could still love you, and they could still be an awesome person, and they could still say something shitty that makes you go, oh, but we have to be, I loved your response, it's like, no, that's actually not it, because we have to be able to be discerning and like, actually, you're not hearing what I'm saying, and that's okay. I'm going to move on to someone else who's going to hear what I'm saying and celebrate that. Heike, we're going to take a brief break, and then we're going to find out how people can find you, follow you, or work with you. 


Lesley Logan 28:11  

All right, so if people want to follow the journey of this book, if they want to pursue their spark with you, where can they get more of you? 


Heike Yates 28:19  

Literally, Google my name. Heike Yates, H-E-I-K-E Y-A-T-E-S. You'll find me everywhere and anywhere on social media, or Pursue Your Spark, either way, you'll find me everywhere on social media. Super simple to get in touch with me. 


Lesley Logan 28:34  

That's awesome. Well, you know what? You have a name that no one else has, I think. I'm sharing my name, like my exact spelling and my exact name, with a lot of different people, and it's a little I'm like, how did that happen? I spell it differently than everyone else, but there was a travel author in the UK when I was a child that has my name, and I know, so very jealous. Okay, well, you've given us really, actually, some great little tips and takeaways, to be honest, people, if you're listening to this, you're probably like writing these things down. But because we cannot skip the Be It Action Items, bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted, steps people can take to be it till they see it, what do you have for us? 


Heike Yates 29:11  

Okay, as I said already, dream big, bold dreams. Take action with small, I like to call them baby steps. Break down those baby steps even into smaller steps, and connect to your why, to your core, to where you were before life happened, before things changed for you. What do you want to do and stop, which is what I love to say, stop dimming your light and move on and enjoy life. 


Lesley Logan 29:47  

Yeah, we don't have to dim our light. There's a lot of people out there trying to play with the dimmer as it is. Don't need to help anyone. Oh, gosh, Heike, this is such a pleasure, so fun, such an uplifting conversation. I am excited to hear how everyone else, what their takeaways are and how they use these tips in their life. Please let us know. Let Heike know. Let the Be It Pod know. Send this to a friend who maybe needs to hear these words, because sometimes, maybe we want someone to be our accountability partner or we want to be their accountability partner, but they may need a reminder first, and so I think maybe sometimes it's often easier to give your friend the advice through a podcast. And then, yes, they'll get to the end and they'll hear this, and they'll hear that we told you to share it to them, and then they're gonna know what the jig is. But you know what, they'll thank you for it, because they'll have stopped dimming their light because of this. So let us know. Share this with a friend until next time, Be It Till You See It. 


Lesley Logan 30:37  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


Brad Crowell 31:20  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


Lesley Logan 31:25  

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Brad Crowell 31:29  

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Lesley Logan 31:36  

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Brad Crowell 31:39  

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