Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell reflect on the inspiring conversation with values-driven changemaker Kate Galli. From standing up for animals to staying grounded in joy, this episode explores what it takes to lead with purpose. Learn how Kate uses her voice, energy, and optimism to drive meaningful change—while still staying connected to community, compassion, and self-care.

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In this episode you will learn about:

Exercises for managing lower back pain in Pilates classes.
Kate Galli’s journey into plant-based living and how it deepened her purpose.
How she transitioned from being an “angry vegan” to a compassionate advocate.
The ABC Method’s role in fostering mindset shifts and habit change.
Why identifying core values is essential for aligning with your goals.

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00

I was thinking, passion doesn't necessarily equal anger, even though it's associated with high energy. And then you just said the word compassion, which is more in line with what we want. Compassion still includes the word passion.

Lesley Logan 0:14

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:53

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I

are going to dig into the empathetic convo I had with Kate Galli in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen or listen to this and go listen to that. It's kind of fun how the episodes work like that. If you're in the OPC app, you can easily see them and pick and choose. If you're in an Apple app, it kind of serves you in whatever order you're at so there you go. But it's quite fun. We'll get into her thing. I actually, because of her, have been putting tofu in my breakfast. So, yeah.

Brad Crowell 1:29

Oh, love that.

Lesley Logan 1:30

This is a woman. This is the person who said. So today is June 26th 2025 and it's National Handshake Day. So finally, a day that's not a fucking nightmare. If you listened to last week, this should be more uplifting. National Handshake Day. This is they always start with the thing, and it drives me crazy.

Brad Crowell 1:48

Every year on this day.

Lesley Logan 1:49

On this day, it's just like, it's like chatting before it happened. National Handshake Day is celebrated on the last Thursday of June each year, falling on June 26th this year. And yep, yep, we covered that already, and we're glad that this common greeting is getting a place in the spotlight after all the year that it has been around. Not only is the handshake the most universally recognized form of greeting, but it also has come to mean different things in different cultures, which is why learning more about it will come in handy. Pun intended. Throughout history and across different cultural contexts, the handshake is in practice, an expression of peace or goodwill, and is almost like a common language that binds us together the world over. That's a way, that's a weird sentence. It's no wonder, then, that we want to make a big deal about this innocuous gesture. Sociologically, the handshake has come to be a symbol of things hidden below the surface, as you can tell a lot about the person the way they shake.

Brad Crowell 2:45

By the handshake.

Lesley Logan 2:46

Yes, perhaps for this reason, secret handshakes have also become popular, giving people a sense of belonging to a particular group. However you view the handshake, one has to admit that it deserves its own day.

Brad Crowell 2:58

It sure does.

Lesley Logan 2:59

Just owing the sheer frequency of its use in our daily lives.

Brad Crowell 3:02

Yep, yep. Sans Covid, when no one did any handshakes ever it was the wave.

Lesley Logan 3:07

Well, now, and now everyone does fist bumps or like people don't shake hands, like there's like the germaphobes will never shake hands.

Brad Crowell 3:11

Yeah, never again.

Lesley Logan 3:13

I will be honest. I almost rather go for a hug than a handshake, like, I just feel kind of weird about it, mostly with women, obviously. Second, I don't really.

Brad Crowell 3:25

Hi, friend, handshake.

Lesley Logan 3:26

Hi friend. Also, I gotta be honest, I fucking hate a dead fish handshake. And I also do not give me the bunny hand, like I'm gonna kiss it, you know, some, some girls, yeah, like they give you their hand. They give you their hand like this, and then you're supposed to like, like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do with that. I'm supposed to say, What am I supposed to do?

Brad Crowell 3:32

She's supposed to take it underneath and kiss their hand.

Lesley Logan 3:50

Yeah, but, but you're giving it to me. I'm not gonna kiss your hand.

Brad Crowell 3:54

What? Why not?

Lesley Logan 3:55

No, no, not even yours. So I get but I was listening to Iliza Shlesinger's podcast, and she was talking about how, like, hand, she obviously, because she's got kids, and so she's always sick. She's like, comedy shows. She's meeting people, and so, like, they have rules about no hugging, no handshakes. And she's like, we used to shake hands to make sure the other person doesn't have a gun in it. So like.

Brad Crowell 4:14

We did?

Lesley Logan 4:14

That's what she said and she's like, such a historian.

Brad Crowell 4:17

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Lesley Logan 4:17

You know.

Brad Crowell 4:18

I know what she's talking about.

Lesley Logan 4:19

Tell me.

Brad Crowell 4:21

In the Wild West, it was like the under the table situation. And also you specifically used you shook with the right hand only because I think the left hand was used to wipe your ass.

Lesley Logan 4:33

Right because it also assumed that most people are right-handed, and then you use right hand for your gun.

Brad Crowell 4:37

Yeah, exactly. So I'm pretty sure there's some history, some historicity to that claim.

Lesley Logan 4:44

Yeah, yeah.

Brad Crowell 4:47

But anyway, luck us, definitely.

Lesley Logan 4:49

Everyone's left hand was just covered in shit back then.

Brad Crowell 4:50

I think that's not quite the same thing, but yeah.

Lesley Logan 4:58

Oh my God, thank God we don't live back then, guys, it must have smelled like shit. Like, just whenever I think about whenever I, like, look at, like a castle situation, I'm like, this place reeked of shit. There's no way.

Brad Crowell 5:11

Also probably like, ice, fricking cold.

Lesley Logan 5:13

Oh, well, that and when we were at the one castle in Scotland, like everyone, including kids, was given like, liquor every day because it helped kill the germs that were like in the water and the food or something like that. So and most people were like, just not enough water for the peasants. They just drank anyway.

Brad Crowell 5:27

The king had a shit hole in his throne.

Lesley Logan 5:30

Yes, he did have a shit hole in his throne. That's why they call it a throne. And in front of people, they would just get up and pick up their skirt and sit down on the toilet and take a pee or take a poop or whatever. But, you know, anyways, and then, besides the gangrene that was going on. Back to this.

Brad Crowell 5:43

Weird.

Lesley Logan 5:45

I will just say I would love to shake your hand, but you got to shake it back. And also don't squee. The men who squeeze really hard to make sure they I know that they're strong. It's like, well, now you're, what I know you are as a dick. That's what I know. Like, there's, it's a, there's a there's a talent to the fucking handshake.

Brad Crowell 6:01

There's a lot you can know. All right, let's move on. So upcoming event.

Lesley Logan 6:05

We are doing a lot very, very soon.

Brad Crowell 6:07

All right, stick with us here right now. It is June 26th so in just a few weeks, July 9th, we're gonna be hosting an eLevate workout, a Q&A workshop. So if you don't know what eLevate is, no biggie, that is Lesley's mentorship program for Pilates teachers. Okay? It's a 9-month program. It's an amazing way for you to get to the method more across all the different pieces of equipment, and it will 100% change your confidence. I mean, like night and day, dramatic difference, and it's perfect if you're a new teacher or you've been teaching for a really long time. This is a great program. We've been doing it for years, and it's probably our favorite program run. We're going to be doing just a Q&A and hang so a workout and you could ask questions. July 9th.

Lesley Logan 6:49

Alumni will be there and they'll answer your questions, and they're great. They do have the kindest of hearts like, that's why they come.

Brad Crowell 6:54

So come, go to lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist elevate waitlist.

Lesley Logan 6:59

And that's live online, and then also live online on July 17th is Agency mini Mini.

Brad Crowell 7:03

That's right.

Lesley Logan 7:03

Agency Mini number 11.

Brad Crowell 7:05

Profitable Pilates is back.

Lesley Logan 7:08

And it's prfit.biz/mini and it is a three day business coaching workshop. There will be two events that have live times on them, but you can off, obviously, watch replays wherever you are. It's really, really great. Look, the summer is slow for most Pilates instructors, except for like, the family travels, but it's a perfect time to work on your business and get your questions answered so that the last half of the year can be what you want it to be to set you up for next year. So prfit.biz/mini to get on the waitlist, and that way you'll get the early bird pricing. And then in person, we're coming out.

Brad Crowell 7:42

OPC Summer Tour kicks off July 25th in Phoenix. We're gonna do a massive rectangle. We're gonna do Phoenix to San Diego, all the way up the coast of Vancouver, that's right into Canada. Then we're gonna cut across through Calgary, and then back down to Vegas. From there, I don't know. I think it's like close to 5000 miles, I think.

Lesley Logan 8:01

You are planning this Hon. I literally, I was, people are like, where is this at? I'm like, I don't even know.

Brad Crowell 8:01

We have 19 stops.

Lesley Logan 8:01

Oh, whoa, 19.

Brad Crowell 8:01

Yeah.

Lesley Logan 8:02

This is almost as big as winter tour.

Brad Crowell 8:07

It's, it is almost as big as winter tour.

Lesley Logan 8:14

But a little shorter, thank goodness, because I don't think I could do two full month long tours, but this is good.

Brad Crowell 8:20

This was a little over three weeks. So.

Lesley Logan 8:23

Yeah.

Brad Crowell 8:23

It's gonna be amazing.

Lesley Logan 8:23

And we're going to Canada.

Brad Crowell 8:23

We're going into Canada. I'm excited first time for us to tour up into Canada.

Lesley Logan 8:27

Get the dogs paperwork ready to go into Canada and get them back in the States.

Brad Crowell 8:34

Yep, yep. And then in September, we're getting on a plane.

Lesley Logan 8:38

Oh, did we tell them where to go? opc.me/tour

Brad Crowell 8:40

Go to opc.me/tour opc.me/tour

Lesley Logan 8:45

And then in September, we're getting on a plane. We're going to the UK. We have two cities in the UK. It's our Mullet Tour. And mullet means business in the front, Pilates in the back. And so we'll have a business workshop each day, and then Pilates workshops each day. Don't worry, there's more Pilates workshops and business workshops, but U.K., we're trying. We got to help you out.

Brad Crowell 9:04

2/3 Pilates 1/3 biz don't worry that'll work.

Lesley Logan 9:08

And there's a workout so you can get a 2-day pass at Leeds. There's only three spots left at the time we're recording this. Don't know what that means when it drops in your ears.

Brad Crowell 9:15

That's true.

Lesley Logan 9:16

And then Essex also space super limited. But we did open up day passes so you can buy a Tuesday-only pass or Wednesday-only pass.

Brad Crowell 9:22

Yeah, or you can get both.

Lesley Logan 9:23

Or you can get both, you'll save if you buy both. So opc.me/uk

Brad Crowell 9:28

opc.me/uk and then finally in

Lesley Logan 9:31

We're going to Cambodia in October.

Brad Crowell 9:32

October we're heading back across the world, and we want you to come join us. It is obviously our favorite place to be.

Lesley Logan 9:39

We're gonna go to Scotland, come home, go to Chicago, go to Cambodia.

Brad Crowell 9:46

Oh, yeah, we're going to P.O.T in Chicago.

Lesley Logan 9:46

Yeah, we are, we are. We'll tell them about that later. They haven't announced that yet, so until they announced that, we can't announce it. Cat's out the bag.

Brad Crowell 9:53

Oops, anyway, yeah, come with us. Go to crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com to come hang. I mean, I've already been on a bunch of conversations with people talking about it. I know people are worried about travel right now, international travel, especially with like, the perception of Americans around the world due to our government making stupid decisions.

Lesley Logan 10:17

We actually have been treated very well. Most people are worried for us. So they're not, like, they're they're mostly worried, and also, like, we've already gone there and come back during this administration and have had not any problems, so we don't anticipate any problems. So we also did it during March of 2020, and were, the threat of getting in the country, so it was real, and we walked right in.

Brad Crowell 10:38

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, the conversations we've been having with people haven't been that. The conversations have been more about like, are, you know, is it going to be problems for Americans traveling? Honestly, I still think it just comes down to you being cool or being an asshole. If you're an asshole, you're gonna have problems.

Lesley Logan 10:56

But also, if you're an asshole, you're not listening to this podcast.

Brad Crowell 10:58

Yeah, that's probably true.

Lesley Logan 10:59

Pretty true.

Brad Crowell 11:00

Send this to an asshole. Send this episode.

Lesley Logan 11:00

I don't, don't. I was actually even worried, personally, was worried about our Canada tour stops. I thought, will they sell? We have to spend so much money on lawyers to make sure we can do everything appropriately. And

Brad Crowell 11:07

We're almost already sold out in Vancouver.

Lesley Logan 11:17

Vancouver is almost sold out. So like, I will say, I actually think most people understand that we, the majority of us, are not happy with how things are going, and we are not these people. So just, just know you'll be.

Brad Crowell 11:32

Yeah, but it's also like the experiences that we've had, during tumultuous times, have not prohibited us from traveling, right? So, you know, we would encourage you to, you know, get on a call with me if you have any questions about it, worried about it, come join us. Cambodia is going to be epic trust me.

Lesley Logan 11:53

Oh, yeah, it's so beautiful. And also, when we're there, because we've gone so many times during administrations like this. It is like the most you don't, you're so relaxed, you don't really even you don't the news can't even really get to you, because even if it does, you hear chickens, and then you hear the birds and the parrots, and you're sweating and the motos, and you're like, I'm so far from that, like that there's nothing I can do about that while I'm here.

Brad Crowell 12:17

It's called a retreat for a reason.

Lesley Logan 12:21

It's really helpful. It's really helpful for your heart. I mean, I always I'm so relaxed.

Brad Crowell 12:28

I'm already getting warm fuzzy feeling.

Lesley Logan 12:30

I know. So come, crownestretreats.com to snag your spot.

Brad Crowell 12:34

All right. And we did have an audience question this week. Thank you for sending this in. We had, I don't know how to say this, um, ayeletregev6703 ayeletregev6703 on YouTube asks, hi, during a class.

Lesley Logan 12:50

Hi.

Brad Crowell 12:51

Hi, during a class, what kind of exercise would you offer to someone who can't do the teaser due to lower back issues? Well, great question. Thank you for asking.

Lesley Logan 13:01

Yeah. So first of all, if, first of all, the way I teach Pilates is that every exercise is going to be accessible to people at some point when they're ready. So my teacher, Jay Grimes, always said, you want to bring people up to an exercise, don't bring exercise down to a body, right? So if someone has lower back issues and they can't do the teaser, I actually wouldn't modify the teaser necessarily for them. I would have them repeat an exercise that was safe for their back, that would build up their strength, their stamina and their connections.

Brad Crowell 13:24

They should just quit.

Lesley Logan 13:30

Shut up, and that way, first of all, they can keep moving. And then second, it would be figuring out, like, is this lower back issue permanent? Is this like a chronic issue? They're never it's never going to go away. Is it what it is?

Brad Crowell 13:50

Surgery kind of thing.

Lesley Logan 13:46

And so then it's like, should they, should they even be doing flexion at all? Should they, can they do teaser with their feet on the wall? Should they just always do something else, or is it just that they are not, they're of a tight back and just not ready for it, yet? Because then we can roll like a ball into teaser, roll like a ball in a teaser, right? And that's a great way of doing it. So what I think is really important is there isn't one way to answer this question, because I don't know who we're talking about.

Brad Crowell 14:09

It's true. So that's a little tough, but I do think you know the whole idea, as a non-Pilates teacher here, the whole idea of Pilates is that it's a system, right? And what I know from sitting on the sidelines and watching the eLevators come through our house, literally, our house, and work things out, is that that if they're if they can't do teaser, because they're just not there yet, that's okay. It's totally okay. They don't need to do teaser, right? It's not like, you know, teaser, to me, is like handstand in yoga, you know, it's not necessarily like changing your world. It's part of a system. It's one of the poses that you yeah, sure you want to get to it eventually. But if you, you know, if you can't do teaser, it doesn't mean you can't do Pilates, right? So, you know, if you take that approach to it, you can, you as a teacher, can help them get to that pose over time, and you can help them get to that if that's their goal, that's fine, you know. But there might be other things that you want to take them to, first because of their lower back issues,

Lesley Logan 15:18

Yeah. And I, first of all, well said, babe. So many people are like, Go, Brad, but, but I think, like, you know, here's the thing, clients come to a class and you specifically about a class. And so everyone thinks that, oh, everyone in the class is doing the exact same thing. Like I was talking to someone in eLevate, they're like, oh, but I need everyone to, like, do it at the same time, because it looks really good. And I was like, uhm.

Brad Crowell 15:42

We could skip all that.

Lesley Logan 15:43

We don't care what it looks like as a beauty, a form of beauty, I care, are they connected?

Brad Crowell 15:48

Right. We're not synchronized swimming here.

Lesley Logan 15:50

Yeah. And so if that's the way you're teaching your classes, some people will like that. But to be completely honest, a lot of people are not going to actually get the benefits of Pilates in that fashion, in that form. So it's really important.

Brad Crowell 16:02

The 1980s are calling. They want their synchronized workouts back.

Lesley Logan 16:05

Yeah, so what I, so I would, this is how I always started every class, not every exercise is going to be for you. So when in doubt, leave it out. It's actually brave and courageous to replace what you can't do yet with something that you can, something that you did that was challenging, right? And if you need specific assistance with an exercise, we can talk about it. We can give options at the end of class that you can use. And so with this person with lower back issues, maybe they need to take a private or stay after class one day to figure out what is their teaser. So maybe it is a modified teaser, but maybe it's actually double straight leg stretch, or maybe it's that they do swimming instead, right? What is it that they do? And then that way they are empowered to be autonomous and independent. And I promise you, it is going you will survive people doing different things at the same time, because they're gonna feel so good, and they're gonna come and go. That was the best class, and it's gonna make you love what you're doing, because now you're actually affecting real change in them, and not just like, well, let's just bend their knees and now they can do it, right? Like, that's, like, that's a Rachel Taylor Siegel, highly recommend everybody watches Taylor Made on Pilates Anytime you can use LLogan for a 30-day trial. It's in the Legacy Project. And what I learned from Rachel Taylor Siegel, she said, let's talk about modifications. She said modifications are like borrowing money from the bank. Some loans have higher interest rates than other loans, right? So if you get an SBA loan, you're looking at a couple percent, like real low, and so it's really easy to pay that loan off over time. In fact, that loan allows your business to grow, and so that kind of a loan is like going not just accelerate you, but just strengthen your business, gonna allow you to create a really good foundation, right? Versus a payday loan, those like 40% interest loans, or 30% interest loans, or the credit cards, the ones we get in the mail with our amazing credit score. It's like, why would I sign up for this 35% credit card? Are you crazy?

Brad Crowell 18:09

Yeah, I did get one for for 29.99 Yeah, or 30. It was like, it was like shocking.

Lesley Logan 18:19

That's it when I was in college and college when I had no credit.

Brad Crowell 18:22

I never saw one that high ever.

Lesley Logan 18:22

I guess that's true. I think it was like 18%.

Brad Crowell 18:23

Yeah, they were like, 20% everyone's like, oh my God, they're stealing from you. Now they're, now they're like, 30 and it's normal. I'm like, holy cow, bananas.

Lesley Logan 18:30

Yeah, you'll know, yes, so, but that, so just take that bananas and then think about that as a modification for an exercise. So now we're stealing from them. Now we're actually not providing them with the ability to ever not need that modification. In fact, they will have to keep just like those payday loans.

Brad Crowell 18:45

Ever not, never, not. So they will always need the modification.

Lesley Logan 18:45

Yeah, just like, well, if you let me finish my sentence, it was going to be just like when you do the payday loans once, what I've heard, what I've understood, is why they're so bad is that once you need them, you automatically need the next one and the next one, because now you're like, stuck, you're stuck and you're in debt. So my dear, thank you for this question. I hope it gave you something to think about. If you're an OPC member and you have a lower back issue, you can actually film yourself doing an exercise. You, actually, it could be any issue, but you can film yourself doing an exercise, and I can give you feedback on it. We don't answer client questions in OPC because it's all about you. So there's that. But if you guys have questions, go to beitpod.com/questions to send in your win or your questions, we'll answer them here, and we'll shout your wins out on Friday. beitpod.com/questions.

Brad Crowell 19:30

Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into that convo with Kate Galli.

Brad Crowell 19:38

Okay, let's talk about Kate Galli. Kate is a health coach, author and podcast host who's passionate, who is passionate about helping vegans and plant-based curious people live the with strength, confidence and joy. After years of working in both fitness and in the mindset space, Kate now helps others create meaningful lifestyle changes by aligning their health goals with their values. She's the creator of Strong Body, Green Planet, and host of the Healthification Podcast, where she shares strategies for powerful, compassionate living through her signature ABC method. Kate focuses on building habits that not only feel good, but also do good for the mind, for the body and for the planet.

Lesley Logan 20:24

Okay, I thought she was so cool, because, first of all, a lot of what she is talking about with her journey of being a vegan, and then where she's at now is a lot of be it till you see it in like being vegan-curious or plant-based curious. I think a lot of us could lend ourselves to at least, if you're not going to go full vegan considering, like, what changes you can make for the planet. I think we all have to be considerate of that. You'll also be considerate of your body and what you're allergic to and all those things. So don't at me. I can't eat that because I got this allergy. I see you okay. In fact, Kate sees you because she's not an angry vegan anymore.

Brad Crowell 20:59

Yeah, that's the thing that was like, I, actually, I'm not gonna lie, like I was listening to it. I was like, okay, you know, I'm in and then she shared her story, and I was like, wow, you know. And if you, if you, if you haven't gone back and listened to the episode, it is gut-wrenching and powerful. And she says it quickly, relatively quickly, but it's worth a listen. So go back and take a listen to Kate's story.

Lesley Logan 21:25

I think the cadence of this episode coming out after Stephanie O'Dea's slow living episode is really important, because there's a couple things like, that, I'm like, I'm thinking about with Kate that kind of can go back to Stephanie. First of all, you cannot shame or judge yourself into a goal, right? And so and and, and.

Brad Crowell 21:46

Nor can you shame others into a goal.

Lesley Logan 21:49

Correct. And Kate said, we get this drive and this focus and this purpose, we just go and go and go. And she's like, it's effective until it isn't. And that's the same thing that, like Stephanie was saying, like, we we, like, want to go, like, so fast, but like, things will happen in time. And so she transformed in this, like, angry vegan. And then she became more compassionate, because she realized her approach was actually not effective in convincing anyone. In fact.

Brad Crowell 22:13

Also, she was like, fried emotionally, like, so fried. She was like, I can't, I can't even be the angry, you know, like, person that I was anymore. I just can't do it.

Lesley Logan 22:24

Yeah, I think, like, how many of us have been, like, so passionate about something that we get angry? I know I do. I know I do not talk politics with some of my family members because I get so angry that they cannot see the perspective that I see it from. I just can't I, like, literally, I'm just like, I'm losing, I'm missing out on that part of my life, because I need to figure this out for myself, because I cannot be compassionate in this moment. But you know what? I'm giving myself permission, that's okay. But I think it's like, she, she really, where she was able to change to is being a lot more compassionate, and then that allowed her to be more helpful in helping other people see ways that they can become vegan, or ways that they can make things a little bit more plant-based, or be or just change the way that they want to work out so that they're now it's almost like, it's like, you can't, you don't get, you can't get bunny like, bees about honey, like that kind of a thing?

Brad Crowell 23:22

Yeah, you did mention that on the interview, and then you apologized for all the vegans out there who aren't necessarily in a honey.

Lesley Logan 23:29

I know.

Brad Crowell 23:30

I had a good laugh about that.

Lesley Logan 23:32

Well, some are not okay with honey.

Brad Crowell 23:35

Yes, no, it's you're, you're not wrong, but I just thought it was a really funny analogy in the moment. But you're right. You know, you get more bees with honey than you do, you know, without. So, you know, it's the kind of like the kill them with kindness, kind of a yeah approach. And I think.

Lesley Logan 23:51

I really hated that growing up, my mom always, like, kill with kindness. And I'm like, that's not working.

Brad Crowell 23:59

But, but, you know, she talked about the frustration with the relationship with her father, and how, like she was able to learn from her mom, you know, and how her mom's approach shifted her own approach, you know, out and about in the world.

Lesley Logan 24:22

Yeah. And I also want to say, because she said, whatever we care about yelling at people about how wrong they are is never going to get them to want to join us. I just want you to know that, like I still believe you should protest, because it's not about convincing the person driving by. It's about convincing the politicians we're protesting again. So I just want to say protests matter, but.

Brad Crowell 24:39

Yeah, they do.

Lesley Logan 24:40

But if your neighbor isn't seeing how the way that they're voting or the way that they're eating or the way that they're you know, mowing their lawn in the middle of the night is affecting things that you care about. Yelling at them isn't going to get them to stop. You do have to figure out. You have to understand a little bit more about why they think the way they think, or why they do the way they do, so you can actually have a compassionate conversation that allows them to see how what you're trying to offer them is going to help the same goal that they have.

Brad Crowell 25:08

That's actually really interesting. And I wonder about the etymology of these words here now, because I was thinking passion doesn't necessarily equal anger, even though it's associated with with high energy. And then you just said the word compassion, which is more in line with what we want. Compassion still includes the word passion. So, you know.

Lesley Logan 25:29

Do you ever want to take, like, an etymology class? I want to take a handwriting class. They don't teach kids anymore, but I want to learn, and I want to take an etymology class.

Brad Crowell 25:40

Well, so, but you know, like you can still be passionate without being angry. You can be compassionate and have passion, you know. So I think, you know, shifting her approach has sounds to me like a it's made her more effective, and it sounds like just a happier person.

Lesley Logan 26:01

Yeah, she she is so lovely.

Brad Crowell 26:04

So, good for her.

Lesley Logan 26:04

And I will say, like, ever since I've talked with her, I've been really more thoughtful about, what are we eating? Do we need that? How? How do I get 150 grams of protein a day if I'm not having chicken? What does that look like? You know.

Brad Crowell 26:18

I love that you were digging into how to get protein. You were talking about on the episode of like.

Lesley Logan 26:24

Yeah, I asked her. I was like, I need.

Brad Crowell 26:26

Like, what do I do? What's a side? What's a dessert? What's it? What? How do we do this? You know? And she, she did make the parallel between, you know, like, let's say there's like, a muscle dude at the gym, and if he decides to go plant-based, switching from like, steaks to, you know, she said he's got to be eating something comparable in, you know, that's going to fill him up, or he will just lose weight. You know, there's no question about that, but there are ways to do it, and that's what kind of, that's when the conversation really went down that rabit hole in a good way.

Lesley Logan 26:26

Many, many bodybuilders who are plant-based like.

Brad Crowell 26:26

I mean, Eddie. Our friend Eddie is like, six-three and was, like, a football player in the, you know, he's.

Lesley Logan 26:37

Yeah, I think he's like a be it till you see it. You have to, like.

Brad Crowell 27:09

In the military, guy's a beast. You know, he was a vegan for, I don't know, I think seven or eight years, like, solid. But he would eat like, half a freaking lasagna a night, you know,

Lesley Logan 27:20

Right. Like, you have to get calories Well, and that's all kinds of calories, but I think it's just being intentional. And I think what I again, why I wanted to have her on, is it's a be it till you see it approach, like she has those baby steps, which allows you to, kind of, like, figure it out.

Brad Crowell 27:35

Well, when she was talking about the ABC method, I thought it was pretty clever. She said, she, you know, when she was going through this personal transformation, she came up with this method that helped her prioritize her happiness and find a more effective way to pursue her purpose, more effective meaning people would listen. And she said, moving from angry, which was ineffective, to compassionate, which is effective. Her method is called the ABC method, and so A stands for awareness, B stands for brainstorm, and C stands for commitment. So she's, awareness, she's recognizing the negative trajectory of continuing down her current path. B, she's brainstorming, identifying ways to stop the habits that she used to do. And specifically she was talking about posting on Instagram, like posting angry stories, setting herself up to be attacked, even though she believes very strong, strongly in these things, you know. But and then she shifted, and she said, hmm, I wonder if, instead of sharing all the negative stories, I could share positive stories and see how that would have an impact. Right? So she began sharing happy stories and making vegan recipes, sharing vegan recipes that actually taste amazing to you know, like present an option that, instead of creating shame and like frustration, trying to guilt people into, you know, whatever, instead it's like, hey, did you know that it can actually be amazing? Did you know that it can taste awesome? You know? And so she started sharing recipes, and she said her third step is commitment, making a public commitment to the new approach, you know, drawing a line in the sand and saying, hey, I'm making this decision. So good for her. I love that ABC method. You know, I thought that was I thought it was clever. I thought it was a great way to, like, actually create a line in the sand of your life and be like, I've made this decision to change this thing.

Lesley Logan 29:41

I think it can be used for so many things. Her ABC method, it's so you can just, it's just great. And it's also part of, like, how we learn, just, it's from the mindset training that I did it's very aligned with, like, how people's mindsets can be changed. Loved it. Loved it all.

Brad Crowell 29:57

Awesome. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those Be It Action Items.

Brad Crowell 30:03

Welcome back. We're gonna get into these Be It Action Items with Kate Galli. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Kate? She said, if you want to make it easy to incorporate plant-based proteins into your meals, she shares she's got a 5s strategy, okay? She describes it as a way of setting it into your meals. Here are the five S's, star, scatter over, stir through, side and source. What does this mean? Star means plant-based protein is the main component of the meal, meaning lentils in a curry, or marinated tofu. So you've got your star ingredient, effectively, that's what the star means. Scattering over by adding plant-based protein sources such as hemp seeds or pumpkin seeds over your regular meal. So once you've got your meal, you can put something on top of it, and that also adds more protein. You can stir it through mixing plant-based protein, plant-based protein powder, say that five times fast, into a meal or a drink. I mean, this is pretty straightforward. Think about like a smoothie in the morning or soup or cereal.

Lesley Logan 31:13

I even, even I put protein in my coffee because I'm trying to get so much protein in, I put it in my coffee with my creatine and my fiber, guys, because, you know, like, that's just a hard thing to get to.

Brad Crowell 31:26

And the collagen.

Lesley Logan 31:27

Yeah, like, I put it all in there, and it's in this my tasty coffee. And it's actually gotten me to stop going out to get coffee, because they won't have what I need to put in it. And I got to put all this in it. So.

Brad Crowell 31:33

That's true. You could also have it as a side, having a portion of a plant-based protein on your side, such as edamame or crispy chickpeas. And I know you're a huge fan of crispy chickpeas. We literally got some after this interview, ourselves.

Lesley Logan 31:50

I'm obsessed with crispy chick. I wonder how we can make it ourselves. I'm sure we could just do an air fryer. It is, guys, 50 chickpeas is like 10 grams of protein or something like that. Maybe it's only six, but I think it's 10. At any rate, it's like, two handfuls and it you're fuller than if you had snacked on some chips, right? And I got.

Brad Crowell 32:08

It's also not like, it's not bad for you, like, you know, deep fried chips or something.

Lesley Logan 32:12

And it's good for the environment. I can't have potatoes, so I have been, I like, have been like, over here, what? I just want to snack on a little munchie, and I can have those.

Brad Crowell 32:22

Crispy chickpeas, all right. And then source. Finally, the last S is source, using sauces made with protein-rich ingredients, which could include, like self silken tofu, or you could put edamame inside the guacamole.

Lesley Logan 32:36

Yes, where is this town that we used to get that guacamole that had edamame?

Brad Crowell 32:40

Oh, it was, it was they have one.

Lesley Logan 32:43

Oh, True Food.

Brad Crowell 32:44

True Food.

Lesley Logan 32:44

True Food. Yeah, and then they mess with those chips. So annoying. But the edamame with the. with the guac with edamame is there, and it's great.

Brad Crowell 32:54

Pretty tasty. I dig it. But yeah, what about you?

Lesley Logan 32:56

Okay, she said, if you haven't, if you haven't figured out what your personal values are, you need to because you gotta elicit them. She said, your values are the emotional states you're naturally drawn to, like love, freedom, truth or integrity. And so when you are planning your day or making decisions like, your values are these filters for those things and you need to align them with your most important goal or vision, and so even more importantly, align them with your daily actions. We actually talk about values a lot in Agency. Talk about it a lot in our business, coaching retreats and things like that. And so I love this. In fact, I just led a values webinar for Agency members. It'll be in the curriculum so you can figure out what are your values? Because it's like, well, what are, what are, how do you choose them? Like, I have to, you know, have to have names for it. What is it? So you can, Agency members can check that out. But I love this Be It Action Item. Elicit your own personal values if you haven't yet. Kate Galli.

Brad Crowell 33:49

You know, it's funny. I thought it was interesting to compare this to a business, right? We talk about this for business owners, you got to know your mission, vision, values. I never thought about it once about my personal values.

Lesley Logan 34:04

What?

Brad Crowell 34:05

Yeah.

Lesley Logan 34:06

Brad? Really?

Brad Crowell 34:08

Well, in the same way I've never been like, here are my five values that matter the most to Brad. You know, I always think about it through the lens of my company first. So I thought it was interesting.

Lesley Logan 34:20

We gotta do that. You gotta, you gotta do the exercise.

Brad Crowell 34:24

We gotta do the exercise, y'all, I gotta sprinkle in some values. I'm gonna, I'm sourcing them now, but I'm gonna sprinkle them in, scattering them over.

Lesley Logan 34:31

It won't be that complicated, because, I mean, we have different values, but my values were how the business's values came about. They were like, they're not exactly the same, but it's like another word for it that would be more business-like than what my personal values are, but I think that you get to, you get to do the exercise. Keep us posted on your Be It Action Item, babe.

Brad Crowell 34:54

Sounds like a plan.

Lesley Logan 34:54

I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 34:54

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 34:54

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Brad Crowell 35:15

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Lesley Logan 35:16

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Brad Crowell 35:16

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Brad Crowell 35:36

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Lesley Logan 35:42

Yeah, all right, until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 35:44

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 35:46

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Brad Crowell 36:28

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