716. You’re the Impact That You Need

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In this recap episode, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell revisit Lesley's conversation with Amy Dickens, a joy advocate, author of 101 Ways to Spread Joy, and creator of Joyfully You. Amy found joy after years of mental health struggles and turned it into a practice for nervous system regulation. The hosts get honest about what it costs to stay positive inside a negative industry, and why joy is something you build rather than something you wait for.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • The importance of being the joy you wish to see in the world.
  • How relationships act as the key predictor of joy and happiness.
  • Building community as a learnable skill to combat the loneliness epidemic.
  • Miracle walks as an active practice for noticing and maintaining joy.
  • Calendar blocking to prioritize scheduling connection and joy before work.


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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's the idea of, like, okay, your house burnt down, so at least I get to design that master bedroom that I wanted. Like, that would be a toxic positivity thing. Finding joy is the neighbors that came over and showed how much they love and support you, and brought you new items and new things. I think finding joy or being the joy doesn't mean that you're not feeling feelings. It just means that you are not hyper-focused on all the shit.


Lesley Logan 0:25  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


Brad Crowell 1:08  

Take it away.


Lesley Logan 1:09  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap, where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the delightful combo I had with Amy Dickens in our last episode. If you haven't yet, listen to that interview. Feel free to pause this now. Go back because you missed out on some joy stuff. Like it was all joyful. Super joy. 


Brad Crowell 1:23  

Yes you did. 


Lesley Logan 1:24  

So, if you want to miss on joy


Lesley Logan 1:26  

It was delightful. 


Lesley Logan 1:27  

You can listen to this first to see how much joy is in it, and then get that joy intrigue fixed by listening to her episode after. Today is August 6th. It's a day after my brother's birthday, 2026, and it kicks off.   


Brad Crowell 1:39  

Clutter Awareness Week


Lesley Logan 1:41  

Which I'm sure the people who have clutter also hate that it's kicking off on a Thursday, but that's how they did it, which takes place annually, shining a light on the often overlooked issue of physical and mental clutter. Ooh, mental clutter too. This week encourages individuals to identify, confront, and overcome disorganization in their lives. Join the movement by decluttering a space, donating unused items, or learning new organizational strategies. So, I am super excited to say that I have, by the time you listen to this, taken all of our old dish towels, studio cleaning towels, old towels, Brad doesn't like that, but I'm taking old towels, all to the SPCA, the Nevada SPCA, because they will use them, and I got myself some new microfiber towels for the studio. And I'm gonna find kitchen towels that actually soak up shit because the ones we have, I don't know if you noticed, Brad, they just move it around. They just move the liquid around. There is something wrong with these towels, so they are gone. I'm taking them away. Time for some matching cute towels.


Brad Crowell 2:45  

That is funny. Yeah, you're not wrong, and it's interesting because sometimes it's easy to get stuck in cleaning just so that you can focus, and then... 


Lesley Logan 2:55  

Well that's definitely ADHD...


Brad Crowell 2:57  

But then other times I go through not cleaning, and it just piles up. Things just pile up. 


Lesley Logan 3:02  

I'm looking at a basket, and I was looking at it before we started this call. Before I knew what the week announcement was, and I was like, "This should be a box. Why is this an open basket? And why is this basket here?" And then if we take, you guys cannot see because what you see is very strategic, but this podcast room has become Monica's closet. I'm just gonna say it. If you know Monica from Friends, this is Monica's closet. And by the time you hear this, I'm going to say that we have done something to it because it's time.


Brad Crowell 3:34  

It's time to declutter.


Lesley Logan 3:35  

Alright. So tell us. Make sure you send a win in of what you decluttered this week. Send in a win to the beitpod.com/questions. Okay, really quick, as you have heard, the rumors are true. I created a teacher training program for new teachers or somewhat trained teachers who want to study Pilates the way I teach it. So if you like the style of my Pilates instruction, you like my tutorials, my flashcards, you want to go through my training. It's called UpLift, the capital L. And the educators for this program are people who trained with me through my mentorship program, eLevate. And so, if you are a comprehensively trained teacher and you want to study directly with me, then you want to do eLevate. If you actually just want to train through a training that I've created and that I'm very intimately involved in, but my eLevate grads will be teaching, you want to go through UpLift. So, UpLift's waitlist for teachers and people who want to be in that training is xxll.co/uws, and if you


Brad Crowell 4:29  

Yeah, that's just to also make a distinction, UpLift is for people who are not yet teachers.


Lesley Logan 4:34  

Not yet teachers. However.


Brad Crowell 4:35  

But eLevate is are for comprehensively trained teachers already.


Lesley Logan 4:40  

Yes, and I have to keep saying this because it's important. The industry is very unique. There are people who've only been trained on Mat or Reformer or Mat and Reformer, and so if you want to do a comprehensive training, you could go through UpLift because you cannot go through eLevate because you have to have had a comprehensive training to do eLevate. Yes. If you are already a comprehensively trained instructor and you're like, "Oh, I want to learn your teaching style, but it doesn't have to be directly with you. I prefer something in person." You could be a bridge participant in UpLift. So it's definitely for people who want to become a Pilates instructor. But there are ways where you're already doing some sort of teaching that you may prefer UpLift to eLevate. Those of you who are asking me how you can be an educator for eLevate, I love you. Thank you. I'm so glad you're so excited. You actually need to go through eLevate. So the actual proper channel is to go through eLevate, and so you want to go to lesleylogan.co/elevate. If you just want to study with me and not teach UpLift, you can still go through eLevate, but you have to be a comprehensively trained instructor. Boom. There, we did it. Okay.


Brad Crowell 5:41  

Slayed.


Lesley Logan 5:41  

We are on summer tour. We are on the road. It's happening. I don't even know what day, we must be in Lawrence, Kansas, or we might be in Nashville today. Hold on.


Brad Crowell 5:49  

The 6th. I think we're in Lawrence or Knoxville. Let's see.


Lesley Logan 5:53  

Well, I don't know what day the tour starts, and I actually haven't looked, but we do start in Denver. That sold out. Lawrence, Kansas, that's sold out. Then it's Nashville. Then it's Knoxville, a rooftop location for the mat class. It's going to be so freaking cool. Then it's Greensboro, North Carolina. I know we have a day off before we go to Augusta, Georgia. Then Atlanta, Georgia.


Brad Crowell 6:13  

We're in Lawrence on A ugust 6.


Lesley Logan 6:14  

August 6. So this is Lawrence, Kansas. Second day of the tour is August 6. Oh, we start on my brother's birthday. There we go. That'll be easy to remember. So there is, at the time of this recording, still space in stops 3 all the way to 14, but spaces are very much running out in Atlanta, Huntsville, Birmingham, Jackson, and Tucson. In fact, they might already be gone by the time you listen to this. But there is some good space in Nashville, Knoxville, Greensboro, Augusta, Frisco, and El Paso. So in El Paso, we're going to be teaching in Spanish. I mean, I'm going to have a translator. I don't know how to teach in Spanish. I know how to understand if she's saying what I said in Spanish. So don't worry, I can hear that. So our tour is powered by Balanced Body, which means we have gift certificates and prizes to give away. We have the Contrology equipment to bring in, so you can try it out. We have a discount, something you can use to buy your own equipment. Sure. So come on down, opc.me/tour. And then if you're new here, don't forget to check out our Pilates flashcards and our posters. Our flashcards are amazing, and you can buy them from us and support an amazing small company, and part of the money that you spend goes to the Nevada SPCA, which helps dogs, cats, guinea pigs, chinchillas, and bunnies get well taken care of till they find their furever home, as they would say, furever home. And if you want our posters, we have those, too.


Brad Crowell 7:38  

I caught that (inaudible).


Lesley Logan 7:39  

Yeah, well, you just looked around like, "What did she say?" So, opc.me/flashcards, opc.me/posters. Look how easy we make those links. What is not easy is if you want to send your win in to celebrate that you got those posters or flashcards, you have to send it into beitpod.com/questions. All right, we no longer take your questions here. We do those on Sundays on YouTube, on our YouTube Live, so come to that. Our OnlinePilatesClasses.com has a YouTube channel, and we go live every Sunday chatting with you. So instead, we bring up a charity that's topical for the time. So what is it, Brad?


Brad Crowell 8:15  

That's right. All right, this month is Vaccination or Immunization Awareness Month.


Lesley Logan 8:19  

Vaccination or Immunization Awareness Month.


Brad Crowell 8:22  

That's what it is. So August, we're focusing on Vaccinate Your Family. Kicking off our immunization spotlight, we're featuring Vaccinate Your Family, a nonprofit with serious roots. It was founded in 1991 by former First Lady Rosalynn Carter.


Lesley Logan 8:34  

Love the Carters.


Brad Crowell 8:36  

And former Arkansas First Lady Betty Bumpers.


Lesley Logan 8:41  

It looks like "Ladybug" if you go too fast because it says "First Lady Betty Bumpers," and I just read "Ladybug."


Brad Crowell 8:46  

That's amazing. Originally as Every Child By Two, renamed Vaccinate Your Family in 2018. 


Lesley Logan 8:52  

The goal was to like get people vaccinated by two years old.


Brad Crowell 8:55  

Its mission is to protect people of all ages from vaccine-preventable diseases by reaching everyone in the U.S. with science-based information and a real pathway to immunization, including a tool that helps families figure out how to actually pay for vaccines and a grassroots advocacy program that trains everyday people to share their stories. In a year where measles has come roaring back across our entire country, the work matters more than usual. And this month we're featuring a very well-vetted...


Lesley Logan 9:22  

Yes


Brad Crowell 9:23  

...charity. I mean, they don't get more vetted than this. They have a 92% score and four-star rating from Charity Navigator, plus a Gold Seal of Transparency from Candid. Whether you're a parent, a caregiver, or someone who just wants families to have clear answers and real access, this one is absolutely worth a look. Find out more and support them at vaccinateyourfamily.com.


Lesley Logan 9:42  

And I think this is really important because it's a really weird time right now where people are trusting influencers over actual science-based information, and that can be very harmful. Not just for the people who get misinformation, but also for the people that that misinformation negatively affects, right? Like there are people who believe that these vaccines are causing autism out in the world. Autism has been here before vaccines. It's not a thing you catch. It's a thing that's part of how your body and brain all work together. And when people spread that misinformation, it negatively affects people who are autistic in a way that's unfair and unwarranted and awful. But the other reality is there are people who cannot get vaccinated for whatever reason. Like there are people who are either not old enough for certain vaccines or their system is going through something. They have cancer or things like that, and so they cannot. And so as a community, we are supposed to be doing this together. And because of misinformation about vaccines that has been debunked too many times, the U.S. is no longer measles-free, and in fact, they think that we'll never get it back. And it's a sad thing because measles does ruin your entire immune system, including things you were already immunized from.


Brad Crowell 10:59  

And you could die.


Lesley Logan 11:00  

Yeah, you can. And if you want to see a real-life example of how they educate and talk about that and be entertained, watch The Pitt. Yep, very interesting episode about that. Maybe you don't die, but maybe the person that got exposed to it in those first four days that you had it...


Brad Crowell 11:12  

Yeah.


Lesley Logan 11:13  

...couldn't be vaccinated. I mean...


Brad Crowell 11:14  

When they did, I can't remember if it was smallpox or measles back in the day. The pitch was not everybody can get the vaccine.


Lesley Logan 11:22  

Yeah.


Brad Crowell 11:23  

So therefore, it's incumbent on us to give a shit about our neighbors who can't get it.


Lesley Logan 11:28  

It was polio.


Brad Crowell 11:29  

I think it was polio.


Lesley Logan 11:30  

Your great uncle got polio.


Brad Crowell 11:31  

You're right. I think it was polio. So not everyone can get the vaccine because of immunity stuff. So the best thing for the community is for everyone who can get the vaccine to get the vaccine so that we are not carriers or passing things along. A nd it protects others.


Lesley Logan 11:49  

Well, and also it's really interesting. Dr. Divya on Instagram did this whole thing about the best peptide you can get, the best peptide. And she talked about how amazing peptides are, what peptides are, how they come from your body. GLP-1, the P stands for peptide, and everyone in the world is super into peptides. And she said the best peptide is a vaccination.


Brad Crowell 12:09  

Right. B ecause that's what they fucking are.


Lesley Logan 12:14  

That's what they are.


Brad Crowell 12:16  

Right. Yep.


Lesley Logan 12:16  

It's hard. It's fucking hard. Anyway, there's a lot of bad stuff. I understand there's all the awful history about how a lot of vaccinations were done and how racist stuff happened, and so I get that there are so many layers, and I don't want our conversation here to be pedantic or small about it. But I do want to acknowledge that we got rid of fucking measles, and now we're not.


Brad Crowell 13:17  

Yeah, now it's back.


Lesley Logan 13:18  

Vaccinate your family, if you want to help support them, to help people who are not misinformed yet get taken care of and get the help they need because a lot of these things are free if they know about it.


Brad Crowell 13:30  

If you have a charity that you think should be featured or we should be talking about, let us know. Go to beitpod.com/questions, and you can also leave us a win for the Friday episode. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Amy Dickens.


Brad Crowell 13:43  

All right, welcome back. Let's talk about Amy Dickens. Amy is a joy advocate, author of 101 Ways to Spread Joy, and the creator of Joyfully You. She helps people reconnect to their joy as a tool for nervous system regulation and transformation. After struggling with mental health challenges into her mid-to-late 20s, Amy discovered that finding joy became her turning point. Her experience led her to explore how community and intentional joy practices reshape lives, and she's known for leading joy parades in the streets and helping others overcome social anxiety to build meaningful connections. That's pretty freaking cool.


Lesley Logan 14:23  

So cool. And I have to be honest, I'm sure someone in her life was like, "You're gonna make money doing this?" But she is, and she's doing a great job, and she brings such a smile to your face. I loved so much of what she said. When we show up as the joy that we wish to see in the world, that creates this invisible ripple effect, and it's so true.


Brad Crowell 14:43  

Did you say be it till you see it?


Lesley Logan 14:45  

Be it till you see it. I think that's what she said. That's what I said. Yeah. No, and I think this is so true. If there's an idea, if you need love, go give love. If you need joy, go give joy to people. Go smile. Go be. She says in a world full of fear and divisiveness, joy acts as a breath of fresh air. Yeah. And it really is true. In the industry that I'm in, it can be really negative, really nasty. I'm super pissed about people taking my IP and all this stuff. But I have this girl who's in a similar situation where someone in another country is using her stuff, has gone through all these efforts, and she's finally at the end of the rope. She's like, "All I can do is actually just put all the evidence on Facebook, call them out, and blast it because I can't go any further." And she's like, "Would you help me share this?" And I said, "I can't do that." I said, "It's not that I don't support you. Not that I probably wouldn't do the same thing. It's that I try not to put out negative stuff in this industry. I try to find a positive way to talk about the shit so that there's hope." And that goes through, like, how can we figure out a way to be the breath of fresh air?


Brad Crowell 15:50  

Yeah.


Lesley Logan 15:51  

In our offices, in the family situation, so that not only do we experience joy, but people do too. And maybe those people who are fearful and divisive might actually, I don't know. Maybe something happens when they experience a little bit of joy..


Brad Crowell 16:03  

Yeah, it's interesting. It's tough to stay focused on the positive, especially if somebody is maligning you or stealing from you. So yeah, that's a hard thing.


Lesley Logan 16:14  

I think that's a distinction in the joy. And then we had a guest last year where we talked about toxic positivity. Being a breath of fresh air and finding joy does not have to be in the shit that's happening. It can actually be next to the shit, right? It's like the idea of, like, okay, your house burnt down, so at least I get to design that master bedroom that I wanted. Like, that would be a toxic positivity thing. Finding joy is the neighbors that came over and showed how much they love and support you, and brought you new items and new things. I think finding joy or being the joy doesn't mean that you're not feeling feelings. It just means that you are not hyper-focused on all the shit.


Brad Crowell 16:54  

Hyper-focused on all the shit. Yep. I really loved when she was talking about how do you predict joy and happiness. She said that the number one predictor is your relationships.


Lesley Logan 17:09  

Yes.


Brad Crowell 17:10  

In life.


Lesley Logan 17:10  

We were talking about this with another person. Not us, with another person. You heard a guy talking about happiness and quality of relationship. It has to be with three prongs. So this is very fascinating. Your number one predictor of happiness is your relationships, and it's like the idea of you're the average of the five people you hang out with.


Brad Crowell 17:28  

Yeah, sure.


Lesley Logan 17:28  

So if they're shitty people, you're probably not going to have a lot of joy.


Brad Crowell 17:31  

Yeah, she said it includes both deep, intimate relationships, but also saying hi to random strangers.


Lesley Logan 17:37  

I like that you do that. My mom does that. I think I smile. I acknowledge.


Brad Crowell 17:43  

Yeah, I definitely started doing that when I was a teenager, and I would just compliment people. You know, "I like your shoes," or "I like your sweatshirt."


Lesley Logan 17:52  

All the time. They don't even listen sometimes. He said something one night in the airport. He told this one person, "I like your jacket," and a guy with a shitty jacket was like, "This thing?" And it was like, "No, I was talking to her."


Brad Crowell 18:02  

It was like, "Oh my god."


Lesley Logan 18:04  

But anyways, we all had a good laugh, so there was joy there. And you were a little pocket of joy for someone.


Brad Crowell 18:09  

So funny.


Lesley Logan 18:09  

Yeah. But if you are, "I can't say hi to strangers because what if they're crazy? What if they come at me?" Ladies, I feel you, which is why I actually make sure I'm very kind to the people behind the counter of the places that I get coffee. They are safe. They are behind the coffee thing.


Brad Crowell 18:26  

Yeah.


Lesley Logan 18:26  

Someone vetted them to work at that coffee place, and so I will bring joy to them. And then if I want to the people around me, I have a witness. So I feel good about it. I don't do it on the street as much, but, you know.


Brad Crowell 18:36  

She said that even saying hi to your neighbor actually matters for your mental health and joy. Yeah. So saying hi, or waving, or being kind to the mail person or whatever. She said we are in a loneliness epidemic right now, and learning to build community is a skill.


Lesley Logan 18:51  

Yeah. 


Brad Crowell 18:52  

Learning to build community is a skill. The hard part requires being brave, that moment of hello, but the payoff is actual community and connection, right? That is amazing for our own loneliness, our own mental health, for our own joy and our own happiness. So she said, you have to put yourself in situations where you feel really scared and you're doing it anyways.


Lesley Logan 19:17  

It's like she listened to the podcast.


Brad Crowell 19:20  

Yeah. Actually, I was laughing because so many things—do it scared. She didn't say "be it till you see it," but she basically described that. A lot of the things that she was talking about, I was laughing because I was like, "Oh yeah, we say that. We talk about that."


Lesley Logan 19:35  

I love it. I love it. I know, and I think that's really true. There is a loneliness epidemic. One thing that I love about our situation where we live now versus the apartment, because we couldn't really just, I guess we did know our mail person at the apartment, but we know our FedEx driver, we know our UPS people, we know our mail lady. And even the ones we don't know, we're always out there. We meet them outside, like, "Hey, how's it going?" They know. They're like, "Oh, this is the Pilates house, right?" They probably don't have a lot of engagement. They're just on the roads dealing with people. So if you just even be nice to them, you might be the impact that they need.


Brad Crowell 20:20  

By doing that, you're the impact that you need.


Lesley Logan 20:22  

Yes, I agree. I remember, oh my gosh, when I worked in retail, we had the same UPS driver Monday to Friday and a different guy on Saturday, and we loved our Monday-to-Friday guy. We would talk to him every day. One day we didn't have him. He's like, "Oh yeah, I was subbing around in Newport." "You're going to leave us for the ocean, aren't you?" And he's, "No, I'm in AC all day. I don't have to do anything." But we were such good friends with our UPS driver, and it was something to look forward to every day. It's like part of the routine. Here he comes.


Brad Crowell 20:47  

That's fun. Yeah, I love it. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those Be It Action Items. Welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items that you had with Amy Dickens. What bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted action items can we take away from your convo? She said she uses two practices for maintaining joy. The first one is miracle walks.


Lesley Logan 21:12  

I love this.


Brad Crowell 21:13  

Yeah, and she said... 


Lesley Logan 21:14  

Like, the miracle dreams person we had.


Brad Crowell 21:17  

She said, just walk around. Walk your block. And she said, "Look up." She changes her perspective instead of looking down at her phone or ahead on the sidewalk. Look up. What are you actually seeing? She said, "You cannot return until you identify three miracles on this walk." Okay, so miracle number one might be dew on a leaf or birds singing, right? So three things where you're just observing something that is amazing, something that is astounding.


Lesley Logan 21:43  

I do this every morning. I take a note of the moon and the sunrise every morning.


Brad Crowell 21:48  

I love that.


Lesley Logan 21:48  

Yes. I see if I have a third one.


Brad Crowell 21:51  

For me, it's often like a cactus. I'll take a closer look at them because they're all fascinating, how they grow. It's completely different.


Lesley Logan 22:01  

They change every day.


Brad Crowell 22:02  

Yeah, it's crazy.


Lesley Logan 22:03  

Especially right now because of the flowering.


Brad Crowell 22:05  

Yeah, I know. This part of the year is so beautiful in Vegas. She said this trains your brain to actively scan for beauty and joy in places you've already walked a thousand times.


Lesley Logan 22:16  

Yes.


Brad Crowell 22:16  

So instead of just letting it all pass you by, even in the city, there are amazing things to see. So I love it. Miracle walks is one. Two, calendar blocking. Prioritize scheduling connection and joy before filling your calendar with work.


Lesley Logan 22:31  

This is actually very much on brand with what I say when I teach people how to do their schedule on our retreat, which is you have to put your priorities first.


Brad Crowell 22:40  

Yep.


Lesley Logan 22:40  

Sleep.


Brad Crowell 22:41  

Yep.


Lesley Logan 22:42  

Light is genius. Sleep.


Brad Crowell 22:43  

Yeah, your rocks in your schedule, the way we describe that, is prioritizing the opportunity for connection and joy should be paramount. It should absolutely be a part of your schedule.


Lesley Logan 22:56  

Yes, yes.


Brad Crowell 22:57  

You know, for me, you


Lesley Logan 22:58  

You cannot fit joy in. You're gonna fit it in. It's gonna stress it out.


Brad Crowell 23:02  

Yeah, for me, it's been sitting on the front porch, drinking my coffee in the morning, just gathering my thoughts and enjoying the day. You know.


Lesley Logan 23:10  

You know what we have not done?


Brad Crowell 23:11  

Tell me.


Lesley Logan 23:12  

We have not told the podcast we have a dog.


Brad Crowell 23:14  

Oh. We have a new dog.


Lesley Logan 23:18  

Yeah.


Brad Crowell 23:18  

Congratulations, us.


Lesley Logan 23:20  

Yeah. We'll talk more about that another day.


Brad Crowell 23:22  

Yeah, we'll we'll share that more, if you're on socials. I'm sure you've seen it on Instagram.


Lesley Logan 23:26  

And your morning, the reason that thought dolphined up, is because you sit out on the porch in the mornings with the dog.


Brad Crowell 23:43  

Yes.


Lesley Logan 23:43  

And Darla tried to join this routine, and it did not bring Darla joy.


Brad Crowell 23:47  

She lasted about five minutes. It did not bring Darla joy. 


Lesley Logan 23:50  

No, no, no. 


Brad Crowell 23:52  

What about you? What was your biggest takeaway?


Lesley Logan 23:53  

Okay, give yourself permission to follow your joy, whatever big or little ways that might be. Okay, this is really important. Let me finish her thought. Take a deep breath. Be honest with yourself. Write it all down. Say, "Okay, today, what would I feel like if I was 5% more alive right now?" So she's giving you permission to follow your joy, whatever that is. I want to just make sure I say this. My loves, my ADHD people, my high overachiever perfectionists, just because something brings you joy does not mean you have to get paid to do it. So please, permission to follow your joy and not make it have a return on investment other than joy.


Brad Crowell 24:35  

Right.


Lesley Logan 24:36  

As soon as I started telling people I was reading my tarot, I kept having people say, "You do a reading for me." No. Don't take my joy from me. And so I stopped telling people because they're trying to make a job out of it. And then some people might go, "Oh, why are you doing that? You can't make money from that." That's not your point. So just protect your joy thing. Yep. Okay.


Brad Crowell 24:52  

I love it.


Lesley Logan 24:52  

So, in giving yourself permission to follow your joy, you don't have to rewrite your whole life story, but allow yourself just a little of that as a tiny little reframe, like a new way of telling the same thing about yourself or a new way of adding something in. You're not changing everything about yourself to add a little bit of joy, but you are probably an affirmation of, like, "I am someone who sees joy in my morning walks." That's not changing everything you are, but it's changing that one little spot and reframing those things. So, anyways.


Brad Crowell 25:22  

Yeah, I dig it.


Lesley Logan 25:23  

I think she's great.


Brad Crowell 25:24  

This was a really fun podcast. Her demeanor and her attitude were amazingly joyfu and it's contagious.


Lesley Logan 25:30  

Oh yeah. And also, 101 Ways to Spread Joy. All these people who can do 101 anything, I am already impressed because 101, that is so many. Give me 10.


Brad Crowell 25:44  

Check that out. Amy Dickens, 101 Ways to Spread Joy.


Lesley Logan 25:48  

I'm Lesley Logan,


Brad Crowell 25:48  

and I'm Brad Crowell.


Lesley Logan 25:49  

Send this to your friend who needs to spread some joy so they can feel some joy. Send the episode with Amy, and then they'll come here and see how chaotic we are, and then hopefully they're stuck. And until next time, Be It Till You See It


Brad Crowell 26:02  

Bye for now.


Lesley Logan 26:03  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


Brad Crowell 26:46  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


Lesley Logan 26:51  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.


Brad Crowell 26:55  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.


Lesley Logan 27:02  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.


Brad Crowell 27:05  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.



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