431. Build a Higher Quality Life with Microdoses of Pleasure

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What is feminine burnout? This episode explores the specific type of burnout impacting women and how it disrupts hormone balance and the body’s ability to experience joy. Lesley and Brad dive into insights from Dr. Jordin Wiggins, discussing the effects of stress and how to reclaim your energy by microdosing pleasure. Discover small yet powerful changes you can make to build resilience against stress and restore balance in your life.

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In this episode you will learn about:

How feminine burnout disrupts hormone balance.
Why small doses of pleasure reintroduce daily joy.
Building resilience through nervous system regulation tips.
Long-term consequences of ignoring stress and burnout.
Actionable steps to add pleasure into daily routines.

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Lesley Logan 0:00

If you have to clean the kitchen, what can make that more pleasurable? Would it be but more fun to be in cozy sweats with some really great music? Would you have more fun to have your favorite beverage. I don't know. What would make it more pleasurable? Would it be more fun if your partner was naked? I don't know these things. You can try them out.

Lesley Logan 0:16

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:58

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I

are going to dig into the pleasurable convo I have with Jordin Wiggins. Dr. Jordin Wiggins, to be exact, in our last episode, if you haven't yet listened to that one, you have missed out. And you can listen to that one after you listen to this one, or pause this one. Listen to that one. You know, whatever you want to do. It's easy. They're all here for you.

Brad Crowell 1:20

Do it. All the things.

Lesley Logan 1:21

Yeah, before we get into that, today is Thursday, October 10th, and it's World Mental Health Day. I also wanted to say it's really hard to choose, because there's actually a lot of world days. Normally there's like, a World Day.

Brad Crowell 1:32

Yeah, there's a lot.

Lesley Logan 1:32

There was a lot of world days, including information on world homelessness problem, some other things. Brad also saw a vegan burger thing. So, you know, but the World Mental Health Day felt like it encompassed most of the other world days. So World Mental Health Day is October 10th and as our understanding of mental health grows, we grow along with it. Mental Health has come a long way since the early 90s, when the World Federation of Mental Health, WFMH, officially established the day. Our self-awareness and sensitivity towards it have changed things for the better. Our language surrounding mental health has improved as words like crazy and lunatic are used less flippantly, and we come to better understand that can be unintentionally hurtful and stigmatizing. While we've learned a lot, there's still so much more we can do to evolve as a society.

Brad Crowell 2:20

Yeah, I feel like that's a good description. You know, when we were younger, in the 90s,

Lesley Logan 2:26

People use the R-word.

Brad Crowell 2:27

They did. They did.

Lesley Logan 2:28

Just to, like, say something was like, this cup, you know?

Brad Crowell 2:32

Or, you know, I still think the word insane is thrown out there really a lot. I mean, we don't know that many people who are truly insane. So I guess.

Lesley Logan 2:40

Given, given the current climate we are in, there are a particular person who is making me use some of these words in the like, towards that person, without them having been tested, and I feel really bad about it. But also, what else do we say? Yeah, which is why, you know what? Maybe why weird is there. But also I just really, I do agree, like, growing up, no one really talked about mental health, and was kind of rare that anyone would go see a therapist, and all of this stuff, and now.

Brad Crowell 3:15

Or it was, like, awkward, and say, oh you're seeing a therapist?

Lesley Logan 3:19

(inaudible) get things done. And you had to rally all the time. And now we can

Brad Crowell 3:23

I mean, in things like ADHD, you know, and ADD.

Lesley Logan 3:26

Right. But also, like, it's so easy. I've, you know, like, friends that you love who really care about you be like, hey, can we catch up. It's like, you know, I'm taking a mental health day. They're not like, oh, you're bailing on me again. People just go, okay, it's actually really seen to be a positive thing. And also, sometimes I would people don't take care of the Mental Health I'm like, what is going on with you? Like, why aren't you taking care of yourself? This is the world we live in where you can. So I think it's really cool.

Lesley Logan 3:52

And also I will say, I just want to say, it is World Homelessness day. Please look at where you are and see what you can do to help because especially in the States, the Supreme Court just made it legal for towns to make it illegal to be homeless. And so I don't know how the fuck they think these people are going to bring into society if they go to jail for being homeless, and then guess what? They can't get an apartment. How are they going to get most jobs? I have so many problems about this so and as someone who's been without address a few times. If you have judgment towards people who are homeless, I ask you to check that, because there's a lot of different reasons people are homeless. Not every homeless person doesn't have a job. Oftentimes it's because it's really hard to get affordable housing near where they work. And if you live in a really nice neighborhood and you're like, there's fucking homeless here, well, guess who is going to work at your subway? How can they afford to live close and in that neighborhood? So we need to really invest in city planning and taking a look at these things and really making sure that mental health facilities and support systems are invested in because that is who is helping the homeless. Okay, I'll get off my little soapbox.

Brad Crowell 5:01

Okay, well, upcoming here in next February, Lesley and I are going to be back in Cambodia. We are currently in Cambodia right now, literally hosting a retreat as we speak. So obviously, recorded this ahead of time, but it is literally one of our most favorite things to do in the world, and I say that being on the other side of the world right now.

Lesley Logan 5:22

While you're listening to this, we are at a lotus farm.

Brad Crowell 5:24

That's right, yeah, no, it's, that's actually exactly where we are. We're literally at a lotus farm. We are.

Lesley Logan 5:29

We're making flowers and necklaces.

Brad Crowell 5:31

Yeah. And we are floating on a lake with lotuses all over the, all over it. It is stunningly beautiful.

Lesley Logan 5:37

At sunset.

Brad Crowell 5:38

Yeah, yeah. And you too could join us next February. We're gonna do it again. So it is gorgeous, amazing. It's inspirational. It will change your perspective on so many things when you see how other people live their lives, and the people of Cambodia are so friendly and open and just nice and kind, and we get to go not only meet them, see them, experience their food and culture, but then we get to explore something that is truly incredible, the eighth wonder of the world, the temple of Angkor Wat. It is the largest religious structure on the planet Earth. It is unbelievable. It is literally temples in the middle of the jungle that have been reconstructed here now. And you got to see it. It's a bucket list thing. So we want you to come with us, go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. What do we got coming next?

Lesley Logan 6:26

Well, when we come back, I, you know, continue to ready myself for the accessory shoot, which is going to be in LA. Someone's going to be in LA for a week, doing some work and just preparing my strength and stamina for some of the exercise we've take pictures of. I'm so excited for this. This is actually going to be a really cool shoot. We're actually using another studio for the guillotine in there. So if you want the accessories deck, which is the sixth deck, and the final deck in the flash card decks, this is the last one. And I don't see us doing a prequel or a spin-off, this is like, this is it. This is the last installment.

Brad Crowell 7:00

Yeah, I think so. I'm pretty sure.

Lesley Logan 7:01

I know somebody else, like, somebody already thought, like, you do an expansion deck, and I was like, we're not doing that. Don't just. Nope. But never say never. So here's the deal, go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist, because only those on the waitlist get access to the presale price. The presale price is a short time window, sometime in the 2025 year, and then you wait while we wait for them to print and ship to you, and you get them for the best price. So opc.me/flashcardwaitlist.

Brad Crowell 7:27

Yep, yep, yep. Next up, I am hosting a webinar coming up really soon, called the Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator. Go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator, if you're feeling at all stuck in your business, if you are wondering why you can't bring in more clients or make the money that you want to be making, we're going to be covering all those things. Lesley and I have coached more than 2000 businesses through our agency coaching program, and we boiled it down to these three big secrets, y'all, and I'm going to be digging into them live with you on this free webinar. So go to prfit.biz/accelerator. And finally.

Lesley Logan 8:08

Last up for the year. The last thing of the year is the winter tour, and actually goes into the new year. So we actually kick off the year on tour.

Brad Crowell 8:15

On the road.

Lesley Logan 8:16

And we're doing 23 cities, and like 35 days. We want to see you. We're probably going to be somewhere where you live, and maybe somewhere you're visiting. And so yes, you can come to multiple cities. We had one person do three stops in the summer tour.

Brad Crowell 8:26

We did.

Lesley Logan 8:27

And several people do two stops on the summer tour. So go to opc.me/tour to make sure you don't miss out on when we release the cities.

Brad Crowell 8:33

Love it. All right. Before we get into it here, pretty soon, we're going to be covering what Dr. Jordin Wiggins was digging into about pleasure, which I thought was really cool. But before we get there, let's get to the audience question today. Instagram, we have Professional Acro on Instagram asked, hey, in your YouTube videos, do you have an intermediate level chair 1-2 in order? And also, quick questions, please. If there are any special order for the Spine Corrector. Thank you so much. So it's kind of a twofer, right there.

Lesley Logan 9:07

She has a twofer in there, like, how she snuck it in. So Joe Pilates did, and by the way, I sometimes say Joseph, but then I hear Jay on my shoulder. His name is Joe, not Joseph. I mean, it was, he was born Joseph. But there's like, a special like, just like, just like he was blue collar. It's Joe, right?

Brad Crowell 9:26

He's Joe.

Lesley Logan 9:26

So Joe Pilates did not have an order on the Chair or the Spine Corrector. Now, there are series that can have orders to them. On the Wunda Chair, there isn't really like, except for footwork, there isn't really, like, any order to any of the other series you, I mean, obviously the press down series, you can do front side crossover. That's typically what people do, because it makes a lot of sense. But you can also just do side just to cross over. So there's that. On the Spine Corrector there are, there is the leg series, and there's the arm series. And they have an order, which, by the way, are in the barrels deck (inaudible) and that is out. It has been shipping for a while now. I'm so excited about it. So that those do have orders and the series. But again, you omit what's not appropriate for your practice yet, and then you stay in that order. But the other thing about Joe was that he didn't have the levels. So I definitely don't have what you're looking for.

Brad Crowell 10:18

There were no levels when Joseph Pilates created contrology.

Lesley Logan 10:22

No, I mean, what I tell people in my mentorship program is like, if it's overhead, it's obviously not something to teach someone who's new. There you go. And then if it requires two spine shapes in it, then it might actually be a little bit more difficult than exercise that require one spine shape in it, so that really helps you kind of go, which exercise should I teach first? Just a little common sense. So I don't have what you're asking for on YouTube, but I have everything that exists on the Wunda Chair that Joe taught, and on the Spine Corrector and everything else that Joseph Pilates created as a free video in any of the playlists on the channel, and also, almost all are on the flashcards. The accessories deck is coming.

Brad Crowell 11:05

Yeah. And they're also collected really nicely and neatly in one location on our website. So if you go to onlinepilatesclasses.com and go to the tutorials, you will find the section specifically for the chair that you might be looking at, because we've got them broken down across the different types of chairs, even so you could just go to the site and see them all collected together in one place. Yeah. Great question. Thanks for asking that. If you have a question, you can actually text us, 310-905-5534, 310-905-5534. If you live outside of the States, or you just use Instagram more often. Just ping us at the Be It Pod on IG or, obviously, on YouTube. So thanks so much, and stick around. We'll be right back.

Brad Crowell 11:49

Okay, now let's talk about Dr. Jordin Wiggins. Dr. Jordin Wiggins is a Naturopathic Doctor, Pleasure and Intimacy Coach. She's the author of The Pink Canary and host of the Pleasure Principles podcast. She is dedicated to helping high-achieving women heal feminine burnout and reconnect with their pleasure, empowering them to transform their health and their happiness. I thought this was really cool, because I didn't understand this idea of feminine burnout versus non feminine burnout, and she didn't exactly like clinically describe what that means. But I do. I have a lot, I have a feeling has a lot to do with hormones, too. So, yeah.

Lesley Logan 12:26

Well, because she talks about, like, burnout, it leads into constant cortisol production. And when cortisol is high, we know this from a hormone podcast we listen to Brad, progesterone is low. Remember? Right. (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 12:41

Progesterone is what helps you sleep and helps you (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 12:46

Around your body. It's so awesome. It can make the hormone. It can, like, lead you into your cycle in, like, a great way, or not a great way.

Brad Crowell 12:53

Yeah, the cortisol is important. You need it, but, like, we overproduce it because we jack ourselves up with stress and with caffeine and all these other things, and we're just basically out of balance.

Lesley Logan 13:04

Yeah, for sure. So here's what's so great. We have an agency member who went on vacation, and she took extra time, and then she found herself in anxiety on the extra days. And now I'm discovering what she didn't do is microdose pleasure, which is what Dr Jordin Wiggins tells us to do.

Brad Crowell 13:19

Interesting.

Lesley Logan 13:19

She says when you're experiencing feminine burnout, the pleasure center in your brain is turned off. So if you gave yourself all these extra days off, and you've never had them before, you kind of put yourself in a stressful place, because actually, is it going to feel safe? So she, what Dr. Jordin Wiggins is telling us is start to microdose our pleasure slowly and turn up the dial to get it turned back on. That's amazing.

Brad Crowell 13:40

Yeah, so there's a clinical, there's a clinical name for this, where pleasure symptoms are turned off. Yeah, that's right, Anhedonia.

Lesley Logan 13:48

Anhedonia. We talked there's a great part of the podcast you want to go listen to, like she discovered what that was, and it's the inability to feel pleasure and joy.

Brad Crowell 13:55

Yeah, yeah, which is kind of insane, like we chase what makes us feel good, which is usually checking a thing off a list, right? But there comes a point where you're just maxed out on a, on that, and that could take, you know, it seems like that could take a long time to get to, but once you're there, what do you do? You know, you're just stuck, right? So I think it's pretty, pretty interesting to What did she say? Microdose.

Lesley Logan 14:17

Microdose.

Brad Crowell 14:18

Microdose pleasure to help reintroduce this idea, and just so that y'all know, she did talk about sex, she did talk about the intimacy and physical pleasure, but she also talked about more than just that. She said, that's, of course, part of it, but that's not, that's not what the only part of the conversation we're talking about here. What can bring you joy? What can bring you pleasure from having a glass of water? What can bring you joy from taking a morning walk, enjoying the breeze, like, you know, these other things.

Lesley Logan 14:45

Like, if you are going for your morning walk. I did my morning walk, okay, check, go sit in the front of the sunshine, check, like, if you are not actually

Brad Crowell 14:53

Got that vitamin D, what's next?

Lesley Logan 14:54

Enjoying the moment, I really love when I get lost on a walk and I come back and I'm like, oh, I didn't, because I normally go on Instagram and go, good morning, happy Tuesday. A lot of times lately I just fucking got home go, oh, hey guys, it was a great walk. You missed it. You missed it. It was so pleasurable. I had such a good time.

Brad Crowell 15:16

That is, that's pretty funny.

Lesley Logan 15:17

What did you love?

Brad Crowell 15:18

Okay, so she talked about recognizing burnout, and she explained that hormones a lot of the time, they are a lag indicator, meaning burnout and stress have already impacted the body before hormone imbalances actually show up. It's like they're behind the eight ball here, y'all, another analogy there. But while hormone imbalance and adrenal dysfunction occur, it is compounded, and then it is layered, okay? So by the time you're actually realizing that you're in this place, it has been happening for a while, and it is compounded and it is layered. Okay, so that is, that's a problem. How do we then unfuck that? Basically, right? She emphasized resilience comes from a regulated nervous system, a well-regulated nervous system can handle stress without leading to those hormone imbalances. But one year past that point already, what do you do to come back, right? And that comes right back to what you're talking about, microdosing that joy. Microdosing pleasure. I don't really understand why this is feminine only, because this seems very applicable to me, too. You know I, you know.

Lesley Logan 16:22

Jordin, if you're listening, we would like to know. Actually, I, the time we're recording this, tomorrow I'm actually on her podcast. So, not tomorrow in the time you're listening, guys, but the tomorrow and the time that Brad and I are here.

Brad Crowell 16:34

Oh, well, you can ask.

Lesley Logan 16:35

I'll then ask her.

Brad Crowell 16:35

Great.

Lesley Logan 16:36

I'll ask her for you. I'll say hey, Brad would like to know why.

Brad Crowell 16:39

I would love to know. I would absolutely love to know, because I think that we have adrenals, it's like.

Lesley Logan 16:44

And it's also possible, like, she studies women, and she's in a women's clinic, and so that's why she can't just say it's.

Brad Crowell 16:50

Yeah, maybe, and she specifically, that's her ICA.

Lesley Logan 16:52

Masculine burnout, I don't know. But also, like.

Brad Crowell 16:55

That's her ideal client avatar, if y'all (inaudible) study.

Lesley Logan 16:58

Yeah, yeah. But also, like, it might just be where she's had more experience in the medicine world she might not have (inaudible) I don't know.

Brad Crowell 17:05

Yeah, a well-regulated nervous system can handle stress without leading to hormone imbalances. So how do you get a well-regulated nervous system? She said resilience, right? And we didn't really have a deep conversation about resilience, so I think that's another great question to ask her is, like, how do you build resilience? How do you create a well-regulated nervous system through resilience? What does that actually mean? I'd be interested to learn more.

Lesley Logan 17:29

Okay, Dr. Jordin Wiggins.

Brad Crowell 17:31

We got notes. We got notes.

Lesley Logan 17:32

Apparently, we have more questions. I didn't do a great job. There's two important questions. We'd like you to come back.

Brad Crowell 17:38

It's all good. I wasn't gonna rag on you, my dear, you're amazing.

Lesley Logan 17:42

I am amazing, but I missed that. So yes, okay.

Brad Crowell 17:45

Well, we're gonna dig in even more about what Dr. Jordin Wiggins said in the Be It Action Items. So stick around. We'll be right back.

Brad Crowell 17:52

Welcome back. All right. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr. Jordin Wiggins? She said hey, pull out your phone. Make a note of things that you can do to help microdose your pleasure. More specifically, make a list of pleasurable activities, right? So when you have built in that downtime for your day, you can pull out your note and you could say what do I actually want to do? She talked about doing a puzzle, reading a book. She didn't mention it, but we did, taking a walk, you know, we.

Lesley Logan 18:27

Yeah, I think, I don't know if I talked about this with her, but when my therapist was trying to get me to, like, not work all the time, she was like, okay, I said, I've got the time blocked out. I have time to do nothing, and I can't do nothing. And so she said write down all the things you could do and then just look at it go, when that time comes go, of these things what do I want to do? So you could do the same thing here, you'll make a big list of like, what would feel pleasurable to you? Maybe it's like having a chocolate bar and a glass of wine. I don't know.

Brad Crowell 18:55

I mean, that's pleasurable. She talked about reading erotic books, especially if.

Lesley Logan 19:00

You guys could read Eliza David's erotic novels. Remember her from the pod? Kellee Forkenbrock, she writes erotic novels that are with a.

Brad Crowell 19:08

They were on Amazon for.

Lesley Logan 19:10

For like a fucking dollar.

Brad Crowell 19:11

That's what I was gonna say, I didn't want to, I didn't wanna throw it out there without confirming. But yeah, I think there was a whole conversation in the last episode about sex being like a chore, checking it off. Okay, did that. Now, I don't have to worry about it, you know? And there's part of this microdosing, microdosing pleasure, that can help rekindle some, like, actual interest. And so reading a book on that can be good.

Lesley Logan 19:34

Also, there are so many novels now that don't look like the ones that were sold at grocery stores. That was just like, my grandma always bought all of those.

Brad Crowell 19:39

Like, some dude who's some jack dude in front of (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 19:42

You mean, Fabio? You mean, like, just Fabio?

Brad Crowell 19:44

Yeah or Fabio with long golden hair.

Lesley Logan 19:46

Oh, my God, every time Fabio would come to the gym.

Brad Crowell 19:48

For those YouTubers.

Lesley Logan 19:49

I couldn't look at Fabio. I couldn't look at Fabio because, like, he's on like, the cover of half my grandmother's books, you know what I mean. Or, like, some (inaudible) but also, like, you can microdose it. I'm reading Jodi Picoult's book. My first time reading Jodi Picoult, I'm reading By Any Other Name, and there are some micromoments of erotic pleasure in there. And I was like, oh, this is a fun book. And then I'm like, maybe that, maybe there. So I don't know if you have a fun erotic novel that I should be reading that is not 50 shades of anything. Send it my way.

Brad Crowell 20:19

Yeah, reach out.

Lesley Logan 20:20

Anyways, go. That's a Be It Action Item. I think it's also fun. Also, like.

Brad Crowell 20:23

Yeah, what about you?

Lesley Logan 20:23

I'm sure it can also be art. It can be a lot of things. So it doesn't have to be those things.

Brad Crowell 20:27

I mean, pleasure can even be taking a break, right? Like we.

Lesley Logan 20:32

I, do you know what I do every morning that I find pleasurable?

Brad Crowell 20:34

Tell me.

Lesley Logan 20:35

I don't do it every day of every year, but in this moment, what I'm finding pleasure in is doing the diffusers. We have two in the house.

Brad Crowell 20:42

Oh, I noticed them. (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 20:43

And I also do my humidifier for my beautiful plants. And then sometimes during the day, I'm like, this just feels boring. And I'm like, what would make this more fun? Or what would this make, would this work more pleasurable? And I will find a playlist that I want to listen to, and I don't listen to my earbuds. I listen to it on a speaker.

Brad Crowell 21:01

In the room.

Lesley Logan 21:02

In the room, so it takes up this ambiance, and it's so fun.

Brad Crowell 21:06

That's cool. That's pleasure. What's your biggest takeaway?

Lesley Logan 21:09

Okay, so we talked about this, but she, this is a Be It Action Item for you. And here it is. Ask yourself how can I make this moment more pleasure?

Brad Crowell 21:16

That's right.

Lesley Logan 21:16

So you can take a list of things that could be pleasurable, or how could I make the moment right now more pleasurable, the moment that I'm in in this moment. And pleasure can be erotic, or it can just be pleasure is also another word for joy, fun, enjoyment. So if you have to clean the kitchen, like, what can make that more pleasurable? Would it be but more fun to be in, like, cozy sweats with some really great music? Would it be more fun to like, have your favorite beverage? I don't know. Like, what would make it more pleasurable? Would it be more fun if your partner was naked. I don't know these things. Try them out. And then she said incorporate small pleasurable tweaks into daily life. So what little tweaks, little microdoses, can we do to feel better? So start with microdoses. This is a Be It Till You See it, not a like, 100% it. And by the way, Erin Hatzikostas' 50% Rule, and apply it to pleasure in this moment, and I bet you'll have a little bit more pleasurable moments. I'm just saying.

Brad Crowell 22:06

I love it.

Lesley Logan 22:07

So take a listen to Dr. Jordin Wiggins and if you like her, you can go listen to the episode I'm going to be on on her podcast. I don't know what we're talking about.

Brad Crowell 22:17

It's called Pleasure Principles. Like, the pod. We'll put the link in the show notes.

Lesley Logan 22:22

Yeah, we will. I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 22:24

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 22:25

How are you going to use these tips in your life? Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for listening. Thank you for downloading. Share this with a friend. If you've got a friend who's just always saying, like, I'm so burnt out, they need to hear this.

Brad Crowell 22:35

I want to know how many of you are going to make your husband be naked in the kitchen?

Lesley Logan 22:39

Okay, you don't. Do you really want to know this, Brad? No, you don't. He's joking. He's joking. He's joking. Also.

Brad Crowell 22:49

That's just funny.

Lesley Logan 22:51

We have these like.

Brad Crowell 22:53

I might not ever be able to meet your husband.

Lesley Logan 22:54

No, don't tell.

Brad Crowell 22:55

So, don't tell me.

Lesley Logan 22:56

Don't tell him, uh, keep it to yourself. That's what's pleasurable about it. But we do have, I'm gonna keep, not keep this to myself, we have this film on the glass that like you can't really see in our house unless it's at night when the lights are on. And sometimes I think you forget that.

Brad Crowell 23:11

Me?

Lesley Logan 23:12

Yes.

Brad Crowell 23:14

Maybe.

Lesley Logan 23:14

Because we don't have any window treatments.

Brad Crowell 23:17

Not telling y'all where I live.

Lesley Logan 23:19

Oh, okay. Also, hopefully our neighbors don't listen. Um, my dad asked if one of our neighbors still is naked in the backyard. And I said, not that I've seen because I don't look there. Since I know that.

Brad Crowell 23:33

I'm pretty sure he must have seen me on the roof and been like, well, last time we're doing this.

Lesley Logan 23:37

No, it's not because my dad saw him back there, walk out, go into their fish pond, grab a fish out with his hand, and, like, walk back in the house, totally naked.

Brad Crowell 23:45

What? I love this guy.

Lesley Logan 23:47

Yeah, here's what I want to say. I was like, well, dad, he wants his tanning even. But here's what I just want to say, he has no fucks to give. That is pleasurable for him, and there's no shame in it. I'm not looking because it's not pleasurable for me.

Brad Crowell 23:59

I mean, he's like, 75 so, yeah.

Lesley Logan 24:01

Minimum. So what I would just say is, like, walk around your house naked.

Brad Crowell 24:05

That's awesome.

Lesley Logan 24:05

You know what? Walk in your backyard naked. It's if people see it, they were looking in your yard.

Brad Crowell 24:10

That's right.

Lesley Logan 24:11

And your windows. That's (inaudible) for that. All right? I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 24:15

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 24:16

Thank you so much.

Brad Crowell 24:21

This is immediately gonna turn into a favorite episode.

Lesley Logan 24:32

And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 25:19

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 25:22

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Brad Crowell 26:04

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Lesley Logan 26:09

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Brad Crowell 26:13

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Lesley Logan 26:21

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Brad Crowell 26:24

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